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Re: Okay Karen
By: chigger Date: September 26, 2020, 5:01 pm
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In the long run, I think it's really shitty to co opt some ones
name to "call out" a certain age, race or gender. Names DO mean
something to the people that carry them. I hope that the ones
that posted here and were sorry I feel this way, and only use
the term lightheartedly, stop and think a little. It isn't a
dumb joke anymore, and anyone that reads the news should know
that. It's always Karen, anymore, for the nastiest women alive.
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Re: Okay Karen
By: NFPwife Date: September 26, 2020, 8:11 pm
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I posted that I've used it once and I also said I'm sorry for
your experience. I likely won't use it again, but I'm also not
using any phrases to couch or soften a legitimate, evenly stated
request or complaint. I think the concern of being labeled has
people not speaking up, in the moment, when something is wrong.
I think it started not as calling out age or race (because I
have non-white friends who use it with each other) but began
about entitled, aggressive behavior towards customer service
personnel.
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Re: Okay Karen
By: Aleko Date: September 27, 2020, 5:37 am
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There are plenty of names that have been ‘skunked’
by being co-opted to embody a stereotype, and no doubt there
will always be new ones coined. It’s tough on all the
Karens out there, but it could just as easily have been another
name which would have been tough on all its unlucky owners.
That’s just life.
My beef with ‘Okay, Karen’ is that, just as with
‘Okay, Boomer’, it’s used as a way of saying
‘Your opinion is worthless, and I’m going to ignore
it, simply because of your age/class/ethnic origin’.
It's a double whammy of disrespect; not only does it imply that
you and your views are no more than a stereotype, but that the
age/class/ethnicity that you're perceived to belong to can by
definition have no valid view anyway.
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Re: Okay Karen
By: Wanaca Date: September 27, 2020, 8:22 am
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I don't use this phrase because it feels too much like a slur.
I know several nice Karens and I couldn't say it without
thinking of them. There are many trendy things that I can
easily live without. This phrase is one of them.
Luckily, the people that I come into contact with daily feel the
same way. I don't know of anyone IRL that uses this phrase.
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Re: Okay Karen
By: oogyda Date: September 27, 2020, 11:39 am
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Because I do have a name that ages me and I have heard my name
as a descriptor (both positive and negative), I decided to look
it up in the referenced Urban Dictionary. I came across all
three of these definitions:
1) Being a Dxxxxx is asking people stupid question that she
should know that you won’t know but also thinks that you should
know anyway because she is Dxxxxx.
2) A friend till the end, she's got your back no matter what. A
constant source of intense laughter. Speaker of the greatest
smart-ass comments ever heard. An extremely beautiful person on
the outside. Has an even more impressive inner beauty (if you
are open-minded enough to look) Has more strength than all
previous heavy-weight champions combined.
3) Basically don't be a Dxxxxx means don't be a whore or slut
whatever name you please.
What I get is that it's not a reliable source.
Anybody can put in a definition.
There is no need for proof or references.
It's an entertainment website not a reference source.
It's heavily populated by rude, insulting and politically
incorrect statements meant as jokes.
In other words, no one will convince me of anything using that
as their resource.
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As to the original subject. Looking beyond Urban Dictionary, I
so understand the use of the name "Karen" has become very
insulting whether one is including all or just some of the
connotations listed. I wish I had something to say to Chigger
and others that would make them feel less attacked, but I
understand why they do and I sympathize with them. I don't know
what I can do about it besides not use the term myself and not
let it be used in my presence.
I think that almost any name or word can be used in an entirely
offensive way and it's upsetting when something like that
catches on. It takes me back to the days of ..............
Nope...not going to start listing those and give them credence.
#Post#: 58183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Okay Karen
By: peony Date: September 29, 2020, 8:30 am
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[quote author=BlueWave link=topic=1871.msg58093#msg58093
date=1601151367]
[quote author=chigger link=topic=1871.msg58044#msg58044
date=1601062265]
[quote author=holly firestorm link=topic=1871.msg58033#msg58033
date=1601056971]
I posted this on my Facebook page in June: When I was young
there used to be this t-shirt, "B**ch: a kind, gentle-hearted
woman who's been bullied, picked on, abused and dismissed once
too often." It came about because of all the misogynists who
called women "b**ches" any time they 'stepped out of line' or
didn't know their place. Now there's a new slang word "Karen"
which is SUPPOSED to refer to anyone who thinks they're so
special they matter and no one else does. But, since I first
saw it being used, I've NEVER seen if refer to a male*, anyone
who isn't white, in fact, not even someone who's young. If a
male acts like a racist, he's just called a racist. If a woman
acts like a racist, she's a "racist Karen." It seems to me what
that insult really means is "middle aged or older white WOMAN
who doesn't know her place." Especially for all those who hate
being called "snowflake" or "libertard." but call any woman you
don't want to screw and who disagrees with you a "Karen,"
Congratulations, you've shown there's no difference between you
and the racists you've been raging about after all.
* Since then I have seen one or two memes about "Kens" or
"Kevins" but nowhere near the hundreds of "Karen" memes.
Additionally, Some men will gaslight, bully, dismiss a woman for
speaking up, even now. This "Karen" crap is just another way to
put a woman you don't want to play scrabble with in her place.
If a man refuses to wear a mask in a public area he's just
called an ***hole, but, a woman is called a Karen. But, at the
archery range where I shoot we are required by the Park
Department to wear masks when not shooting. They will close us
down if we do not comply with COVID restrictions, including
this. As a Range volunteer I'm supposed to at least ask people
if they have a mask with them. One jerk got nasty about it and
tried to bully me into not saying anything. He's at least 30
years younger than me and had the gall to order me, "I told you
not to talk to me." I 'reported' him to the Archery Facebook
Group (not even the Park Dept.) About 20 people supported me
including 3 instructors, 2 of whom are Club Board members. But,
two "trolls" started in with the insults and veiled threats,
even after the Head Instructor backed me and told them to
behave. Among their insults was calling me a "Karen." Now,
previously one of our male members (B) complained about someone
else who didn't want to wear a mask. These 'trolls' didn't have
a word to say about that. (PS: The trolls were kicked out of
the group and the "I told you not to talk to me," boy was
personally told by the head instructor that I was right and he
was supposed to wear that mask when not shooting.
So, another confirmation that this "Karen" crap has lost its
original meaning and is already being used by "the other side"
to put a woman, especially an older white woman, in her place no
matter what its original meaning was supposed to be.
[/quote]
Yes! The term "A Karen" is sexist, ageist, and truth be told,
racist also! To be a Karen, you have to be female, middle aged,
and white. So tell me that's not a slur! Those of us that carry
that name are starting to find it exhausting, since mainstream
media has picked it up as their new catchphrase.
[/quote]
To the bolded: no, it is not racist. Racism denotes power. You
cannot be racist towards whites as the power structure is build
entirely in their favor. You can prejudiced against them, but
not racist.
[/quote]
Racism can occur at any time toward any race. It doesn't denote
power, it denotes someone expressing the opinion that somebody
of another race is fundamentally inferior.
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Re: Okay Karen
By: Aleko Date: September 29, 2020, 11:17 am
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[quote]Racism can occur at any time toward any race. It doesn't
denote power, it denotes someone expressing the opinion that
somebody of another race is fundamentally inferior.[/quote]
I'd go further than that, even. If you consider that all members
of another ethnicity fit a single stereotype, that is racist -
even if the particular characteristic you're assigning to them
is neutral or even admirable, as in "Jews are all so clever with
money!' or 'Black people have innate rhythm!'
#Post#: 58189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Okay Karen
By: ladameestmorte Date: September 29, 2020, 1:18 pm
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[quote author=PVZFan link=topic=1871.msg57951#msg57951
date=1600971091]
(When Karens were just starting to be thing, I was considering
cutting my hair and talking to the stylist about it. (She'd
finished my cut and was spraying product, pulling a couple
little pieces around my face.) She said, "We could do an
inverted bob." I said, "If we do, I'm definitely going to need
to talk to your manager." Good thing I crack myself up because
she didn't get it, I tried to explain it, kept laughing at
myself, and it fell flat.)
[/quote]
I get this and I LOVE it! I'd have been rolling on the floor!
#Post#: 58192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Okay Karen
By: Gellchom Date: September 29, 2020, 2:19 pm
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It's not as bad, but I also feel sorry for the guys named
Sheldon.
#Post#: 58199--------------------------------------------------
Re: Okay Karen
By: HenrysMom Date: September 29, 2020, 4:37 pm
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[quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1871.msg58192#msg58192
date=1601407161]
It's not as bad, but I also feel sorry for the guys named
Sheldon.
[/quote]
There was a talk show host who used the name “Poindexter” to
refer to nerdy guys who marry gold-diggers.
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