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       LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: Hmmm Date: September 24, 2020, 8:34 am
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       LW and her mom sent a gift for a wedding after they received the
       STD card. Wedding was changed from a big affair to backyard with
       a few in attendance. LW is suggesting the couple should return
       the gifts.
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       Scrolling through the comments I didn't see where anyone agreed
       with the LW. But does anyone here support the LW's position?
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: BeagleMommy Date: September 24, 2020, 10:37 am
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       The wedding happened.  It wasn't the grand scale they were
       planning, but that was through no fault of their own.  People
       seem to forget that the entire point of having a wedding is to
       enter into a marriage.  If the wedding had not taken place at
       all the HC would have to return gifts.
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: Lilipons Date: September 24, 2020, 11:00 am
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       I agree with BeagleMommy.  The Wedding ceremony is not the
       culmination of anything.  It’s simply a public recognition that
       a marriage has begun.
       Gifts for a Wedding are traditionally things that the couple
       will be using in their married life.  Heck, we have a few things
       we received as Wedding gifts in 1983 that we still use several
       times a week.
       A truncated Wedding celebration due to health considerations
       is, in my opinion, not a reason to return gifts.
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: TootsNYC Date: September 24, 2020, 11:03 am
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       Yes, the wedding gift should really be called a marriage gift.
       The reason you give a gift if you're invited to the wedding is
       that the invitation is a message that says: "You are so
       important to us that we want you to be at our wedding."
       THAT message is why you give a gift, in order to send the
       message back: "You are so important enough to us that we want to
       mark your major life event with a token of love and support."
       None of those messages were negated here, ESPECIALLY since the
       change in invitations was due to a highly infectious disease
       that like to use weddings as a particular jumping off point.
       Just as an invitation is not an invoice, neither is a gift a
       ticket.
       #Post#: 57941--------------------------------------------------
       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: violinp Date: September 24, 2020, 11:33 am
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       The LW is being selfish and petulant. The HC didn't have much
       control of what amount of people could be in the facility during
       a *pandemic.* Insisting a gift be returned because you weren't
       able to attend through nobody's fault is, IMHO, very childish.
       #Post#: 57942--------------------------------------------------
       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: NFPwife Date: September 24, 2020, 11:49 am
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       Expecting the gift back is very, very childish. This couple had
       to downscale their wedding, likely lost a deposit or two, and
       probably had to cancel their honeymoon (or at least modify it a
       lot). I'd be more inclined to send them a little something extra
       than ask for the gift back. My thinking is, "They've been
       through so much."
       If the couple has a reception or large gathering to celebrate
       the wedding later, the LW and her mother wouldn't need to gift
       for that occasion.
       I can't believe, in the middle of a global pandemic, that the LW
       can't have a little empathy for this couple.
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: Luci Date: September 24, 2020, 12:40 pm
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       Along with the first line of the answer, the gift is a gift to
       the couple for their marriage, not a fee for a party.
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: Rose Red Date: September 24, 2020, 1:34 pm
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       [quote author=Luci link=topic=1869.msg57947#msg57947
       date=1600969226]
       Along with the first line of the answer, the gift is a gift to
       the couple for their marriage, not a fee for a party.
       [/quote]
       Even before clicking on the link, my first thought was they are
       acting like gifts are tickets to a concert and now they are
       asking for a refund because the show got canceled.
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       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: TootsNYC Date: September 24, 2020, 2:08 pm
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       oh, man--I'm so bummed out by the name of that column: Ask
       Someone Else's Mom
       i wanted to start a one-person peaking agency to talk to
       middle-schoolers, high-schoolers, and college students about
       life and advice, and I was going to call it Someone Else's Mom.
       #Post#: 57979--------------------------------------------------
       Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
       By: Gellchom Date: September 24, 2020, 3:46 pm
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       I absolutely agree that the guests would be way out of line to
       expect or ask for gifts to be returned.  And I also think that
       the HC has no duty at all to return gifts.
       It might be an especially classy touch to make a nice donation
       to charity (I don't mean a substantial fraction of the gifts
       they received, just a meaningful gift) of some of the money they
       would have spent on a reception in honor of their
       would-have-been guests that they had hoped to entertain.  (This
       would counter any unkind thoughts of "Well, they saved a bundle,
       but we're still out a bigger gift than we would have given if we
       weren't planning on attending a wedding," if most of the gifts
       were cash gifts in a cover-your-plate social circle!   :)) ) It
       certainly isn't required, or anywhere near required, but I know
       I would be really impressed with a couple that did that.
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