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#Post#: 58494--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: nuku Date: October 5, 2020, 4:15 pm
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[quote author=Rho link=topic=1859.msg57994#msg57994
date=1601005405]
Sabbath services should be Friday evenings and Saturday
mornings. Guests are welcome. Well in my area some Synagogues
discourage visiors and some ( mine) welcome guests. Call the
office to check the time, duration, and dress code. If we lived
closer I would be glad to go with you. I suggest you wait until
after October 3 when the bulk of the High Holidays--busy
season--is over. Friday evnings are shorter and, in my
experience less formal. After any worship service there will be
food and beverages. You are welcome to partake. Quietly stand
up when the entire congregation is asked to stand or turn to the
East (Jerusalem) when everyone else does. No writing, phones,
or cameras on Sabbath. A po;ite greeting is " Good Sabbath" or
the Hebrew "Shabbat Shalom"
Doh! I typed all this and then realized that many congregations
are not meeting in person due to COVID. YES call 1st and
explaine your request.
[/quote]
Also, you might find the services held elsewhere. This time of
year, my mom's RC church lends space to the local Jewish
community for High Holiday services. I guess all religions have
people who only show up for the "big" holidays.
#Post#: 58501--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: STiG Date: October 5, 2020, 6:07 pm
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Where I used to work, they took two days that normally everyone
got off - not stat holidays but ones that were often observed -
and made them 'floating holidays'. It allowed non-christians to
take two days for their high holidays without having to dip into
their vacation bank. I thought it was a good way to handle it
but it did cause some issues because it meant that some people
had to work on the originally designated days who might not want
to, especially if a department was small.
Many, many years ago, before religion and schools were
separated, my Dad was teaching the Christmas story to his class.
One mother approached him after school one day and explained to
him that their family was Jewish. Dad was a little worried but
this mother told him that she had no issue with her son learning
the Christmas story. But then asked if she and her son could
bring in some things and talk about the Jewish traditions at
that time of year. I'm not sure if they spoke about all the
high holidays or not.
I think we could all use a primer on all the high points of the
major religions. :)
#Post#: 58510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: Rho Date: October 5, 2020, 10:24 pm
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" it did cause some issues because it meant that some people
had to work on the originally designated days who might not want
to, especially if a department was small"
When I worked retail I always, always volunteered to work
December 24 & 26 so someone else could enjoy her Holiday. DH
worked in a 365 day a year industry and he worked Dec 24--26 for
the same reason. All the Jewish Doctors I know are working or
on call Dec 25 to give co-workers their Holiday off. My Father
owned a Pharmacy. Mom amd us 3 kids worked there Christmas Day
so the staff could be home.
#Post#: 58537--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: Songbird Date: October 6, 2020, 4:01 pm
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[quote author=STiG link=topic=1859.msg58501#msg58501
date=1601939221]
Where I used to work, they took two days that normally everyone
got off - not stat holidays but ones that were often observed -
and made them 'floating holidays'. It allowed non-christians to
take two days for their high holidays without having to dip into
their vacation bank. I thought it was a good way to handle it
but it did cause some issues because it meant that some people
had to work on the originally designated days who might not want
to, especially if a department was small.
Many, many years ago, before religion and schools were
separated, my Dad was teaching the Christmas story to his class.
One mother approached him after school one day and explained to
him that their family was Jewish. Dad was a little worried but
this mother told him that she had no issue with her son learning
the Christmas story. But then asked if she and her son could
bring in some things and talk about the Jewish traditions at
that time of year. I'm not sure if they spoke about all the
high holidays or not.
I think we could all use a primer on all the high points of the
major religions. :)
[/quote]
My daughter's kindergarten teacher had a great idea. At the
beginning of the school year she figured out the ethnic and
religious background of each student in the class. In December
she'd invite a Jewish mom or dad to give a lesson on Hanukkah,
and they'd have a party. Another day she'd have an
African-American mom talk about Kwanzaa, and they'd have a
party. My daughter's friend's mom was an immigrant from
China, and her lesson was on the Lunar New Year. So when the
class had a Christmas party, she'd do a lesson on Christmas
traditions from around the world. All of the children felt
included.
#Post#: 58547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: Gellchom Date: October 6, 2020, 10:58 pm
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[quote author=Songbird link=topic=1859.msg58537#msg58537
date=1602018062]
[quote author=STiG link=topic=1859.msg58501#msg58501
date=1601939221]
Where I used to work, they took two days that normally everyone
got off - not stat holidays but ones that were often observed -
and made them 'floating holidays'. It allowed non-christians to
take two days for their high holidays without having to dip into
their vacation bank. I thought it was a good way to handle it
but it did cause some issues because it meant that some people
had to work on the originally designated days who might not want
to, especially if a department was small.
Many, many years ago, before religion and schools were
separated, my Dad was teaching the Christmas story to his class.
One mother approached him after school one day and explained to
him that their family was Jewish. Dad was a little worried but
this mother told him that she had no issue with her son learning
the Christmas story. But then asked if she and her son could
bring in some things and talk about the Jewish traditions at
that time of year. I'm not sure if they spoke about all the
high holidays or not.
I think we could all use a primer on all the high points of the
major religions. :)
[/quote]
My daughter's kindergarten teacher had a great idea. At the
beginning of the school year she figured out the ethnic and
religious background of each student in the class. In December
she'd invite a Jewish mom or dad to give a lesson on Hanukkah,
and they'd have a party. Another day she'd have an
African-American mom talk about Kwanzaa, and they'd have a
party. My daughter's friend's mom was an immigrant from
China, and her lesson was on the Lunar New Year. So when the
class had a Christmas party, she'd do a lesson on Christmas
traditions from around the world. All of the children felt
included.
[/quote]
But why did she have the Jewish family present on Chanukah?
It's such a minor holiday on the Jewish calendar. If they
really care about honoring the culture of each student, they
should choose a holiday that is important to that culture, not
the one that comes closest to Christmas on the calendar.
#Post#: 58586--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: STiG Date: October 7, 2020, 3:43 pm
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Were I a teacher, and it was allowed, I would send a letter home
to all the parents, asking if any of them were willing to come
and present about the major holidays of their religion,
somewhere near what would be a feast day and have a party with
the class with traditional dishes for that holiday. Along with
some run of the mill things that most kids would eat. A great,
low key, way for kids to learn about the major religions. And
if a parent wanted to talk about being agnostic or atheist?
Great! Pick a day away from the other holidays to spread out
the festivities.
#Post#: 58590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: Winterlight Date: October 7, 2020, 4:37 pm
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[quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1859.msg58547#msg58547
date=1602043133]
[quote author=Songbird link=topic=1859.msg58537#msg58537
date=1602018062]
[quote author=STiG link=topic=1859.msg58501#msg58501
date=1601939221]
Where I used to work, they took two days that normally everyone
got off - not stat holidays but ones that were often observed -
and made them 'floating holidays'. It allowed non-christians to
take two days for their high holidays without having to dip into
their vacation bank. I thought it was a good way to handle it
but it did cause some issues because it meant that some people
had to work on the originally designated days who might not want
to, especially if a department was small.
Many, many years ago, before religion and schools were
separated, my Dad was teaching the Christmas story to his class.
One mother approached him after school one day and explained to
him that their family was Jewish. Dad was a little worried but
this mother told him that she had no issue with her son learning
the Christmas story. But then asked if she and her son could
bring in some things and talk about the Jewish traditions at
that time of year. I'm not sure if they spoke about all the
high holidays or not.
I think we could all use a primer on all the high points of the
major religions. :)
[/quote]
My daughter's kindergarten teacher had a great idea. At the
beginning of the school year she figured out the ethnic and
religious background of each student in the class. In December
she'd invite a Jewish mom or dad to give a lesson on Hanukkah,
and they'd have a party. Another day she'd have an
African-American mom talk about Kwanzaa, and they'd have a
party. My daughter's friend's mom was an immigrant from
China, and her lesson was on the Lunar New Year. So when the
class had a Christmas party, she'd do a lesson on Christmas
traditions from around the world. All of the children felt
included.
[/quote]
But why did she have the Jewish family present on Chanukah?
It's such a minor holiday on the Jewish calendar. If they
really care about honoring the culture of each student, they
should choose a holiday that is important to that culture, not
the one that comes closest to Christmas on the calendar.
[/quote]
Agreed. Passover or Rosh Hashanah would be much better options.
Though it looks like the teacher only did this in December,
which also leaves out Muslim and Hindu kids.
#Post#: 58603--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: STiG Date: October 7, 2020, 6:20 pm
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One of DH's physiotherapists is Hindu. We had this discussion
with her about having a world religions required course in
schools. She was talking about all the Hindu festivals and
laughed that the kids could have lots of parties.
#Post#: 60859--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: Winterlight Date: November 30, 2020, 1:49 pm
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Here is my annual plea: PLEASE DO NOT PUT UP A MENORAH IF YOU'RE
NOT JEWISH. It is not a decoration. It is a symbol of the fight
against assimilation. And if you're not Jewish, and you do this,
you are appropriating my religion. Please, please, don't do it!
If you want to be sensitive to your Jewish friends and coworkers
this time of year, then wish them a Happy Hanukkah between 12/10
and 12/18. And maybe don't drown the office in Christmas
music/decorations. Even those of us who like the stuff get tired
of how it takes over everything.
#Post#: 60862--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jewish holidays primer for non-Jewish people.
By: GardenGal Date: November 30, 2020, 2:30 pm
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[quote author=Winterlight link=topic=1859.msg60859#msg60859
date=1606765767]
Here is my annual plea: PLEASE DO NOT PUT UP A MENORAH IF YOU'RE
NOT JEWISH. It is not a decoration. It is a symbol of the fight
against assimilation. And if you're not Jewish, and you do this,
you are appropriating my religion. Please, please, don't do it!
If you want to be sensitive to your Jewish friends and coworkers
this time of year, then wish them a Happy Hanukkah between 12/10
and 12/18. And maybe don't drown the office in Christmas
music/decorations. Even those of us who like the stuff get tired
of how it takes over everything.
[/quote]
Too right about the menorah. I was appalled when I was watching
an otherwise very good British TV show and when they took a
Jewish family to see the victim in the morgue they had a menorah
instead of their usual cross. Sheesh!!!
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