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#Post#: 56481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Hmmm Date: August 25, 2020, 2:47 pm
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56479#msg56479
date=1598384218]
[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56320#msg56320
date=1598102365]
<SNIP>
[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56309#msg56309
date=1598041794]
As a graphic designer I can't tell you how many times people
come to me and ask me to use this specific photo. I immediately
ask them where the photo originated from. Their response "Oh, I
got it off the internet." Nope, nope, nope, not going to happen.
Unless they can show me the site the photo came from and prove
that it's in public domain I'm not going to go down for
copyright infringement.
[/quote]
To be clear, I completely agree (and probably the law supports)
what you are saying jpcher! If the situation is a professional
setting and the photo is to be used on the website, company
letter, or even the company Facebook page, you best gain
permission, give credit to the photographer, and potentially pay
for its usage. This even goes if a company employee
(non-professional photographer) snaps a photo at the company
party with their personal smart phone. (I am sure that there is
a way to assign an employee to take photographs that instantly
become company property, but I would still think it appropriate
to credit that person.)
However, my sense of the LW's situation is not a professional
company. People are reposting and swiping pictures for their
personal use and likely not profiting from them in any shape or
form. In a strict etiquette sense, yes, these family members
should be asking Cousin LW to "share" the photo on their own
Facebook page. But the etiquette norms (at least in my circle of
Facebook friends) is that it's really not necessary. If I post a
picture of my bestie Ellen, I have no problem if she puts it on
her wall, downloads it and emails it to her mom, or if she
prints it to be framed in her living room. I don't think that
when she's doing this that she is taking credit for the photo.
Now if she sent it in for a photo contest, then I might have an
issue!
Now I will say that I belong to a few Facebook groups where
there are rules in place that you can't share people's posts
(which includes photos) with those outside of the group. I get
why this rule is in place. And since it is an established rule
by the admin, I think we all need to abide by it. If I don't
like it, I can leave the group.
I don't want to muddy the discussion, but I have a loose
understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely
other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of
Facebook. I wonder how that could change things.
This is an interesting topic! Thank you Hmmm for posting!!!
[/quote]
True. I posted as a professional with strong ethics.
True. This was/is a family gathering and photos were shared with
attendees who then went on to share the photos with other
friends via internet (Facebook or whatever).
True. Those photos are now out there in the cloud somewhere
where anybody can pick them up and use them for whatever purpose
they'd like. Without consent or credit to the photographer.
True. I'm not arguing with anybody here, I mostly agree with
your posts about personal photos. However I do think that LW is
not high maintenance and anyone that publishes photos on-line
should seriously think about watermarking or signing their
photos.
Who knows? Maybe one of your photos would be worth big bucks but
you don't get credit (or money) for it.
[/quote]
I got the impression they were already accessible "out there"
since the relatives were able to download to a phone or post on
their FB pages.
#Post#: 56505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: LifeOnPluto Date: August 26, 2020, 1:54 am
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
Maybe she just wanted some memories for herself of good friends
enjoying an event? I mean, before social media and the whole
photo-sharing phenomenon, isn't that what people did when they
took pictures?
#Post#: 56511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Aleko Date: August 26, 2020, 3:28 am
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[quote][quote]Quote from: Jem on August 25, 2020, 08:19:05 am
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.[/quote]
Maybe she just wanted some memories for herself of good friends
enjoying an event? I mean, before social media and the whole
photo-sharing phenomenon, isn't that what people did when they
took pictures?[/quote]
Sure. But Jem's point was that she appeared to be implying that
she was going to take a string of lovely photos for everyone to
share, but it turned out she wasn't. It's quite possible of
course that Jem misunderstood her and that she actually only
meant to alert the company that because she had such a great
camera she was going to be leaping around seeking the best
angles for a shot, et cetera, and (just possibly) to give people
a chance to say if they didn't want to be in any of her
pictures, or conversely ask her for them if they wanted to see
them. YMMV, but if I see someone snapping away with their own
camera at an event I don't automatically assume they're going to
share their photos, unless they say so.
#Post#: 56516--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: DaDancingPsych Date: August 26, 2020, 7:26 am
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
I do find this odd, but I could see a scenario where the woman
says something like, "I attend many of my church's fellowship
events and I always tell everyone that I will be taking photos.
However, would you believe that no one ever asks to see or use
them?!?" Maybe she doesn't want to be pushy and force her photos
on people? If not already attempted, I might ask her about them.
"How did your luncheon photos turn out? Is there a way that I
could view them?" I think that would be quite telling.
#Post#: 56522--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 26, 2020, 8:58 am
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56516#msg56516
date=1598444795]
[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
I do find this odd, but I could see a scenario where the woman
says something like, "I attend many of my church's fellowship
events and I always tell everyone that I will be taking photos.
However, would you believe that no one ever asks to see or use
them?!?" Maybe she doesn't want to be pushy and force her photos
on people? If not already attempted, I might ask her about them.
"How did your luncheon photos turn out? Is there a way that I
could view them?" I think that would be quite telling.
[/quote]
I guess I never discussed this with her directly, but the church
has an online presence where photos of events are posted, and
sometimes even has printed out photos to be pinned to a bulletin
board. She knows that the church asks for photos people have
taken to be shared with others - but she doesn't.
#Post#: 56528--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: TootsNYC Date: August 26, 2020, 10:05 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1826.msg56425#msg56425
date=1598343765]
If the photographer is going to some effort to crop and tweak
his work to show it at its best, he certainly can take the time
to create a suitable watermark: one that doesn’t look like a
‘this is commercial property, do not reuse’, but more like a
cheery personal message to the people he’s sending it to. I’m
thinking of some variation on ‘Photo by Sam Gamgee, for all the
family!’ or ‘for everyone who was there!’, in a nice decorative
font. This won’t stop people sharing/re-posting/downloading and
printing his pictures, and if he really doesn’t want that to
happen he just shouldn’t post them on Facebook at all. But it
will mean that wherever they are shared or re-posted they will
have his name and his intentions clearly marked on them, and if
anyone actually wants to pirate his work they will have to do
some serious work themselves.
[/quote]
And all the relatives who are just cheerily sharing the photo
will think, "Oh, good, people should know that he's the one who
takes these photos."
#Post#: 56533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Sycorax Date: August 26, 2020, 12:58 pm
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56522#msg56522
date=1598450310]
[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56516#msg56516
date=1598444795]
[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
I do find this odd, but I could see a scenario where the woman
says something like, "I attend many of my church's fellowship
events and I always tell everyone that I will be taking photos.
However, would you believe that no one ever asks to see or use
them?!?" Maybe she doesn't want to be pushy and force her photos
on people? If not already attempted, I might ask her about them.
"How did your luncheon photos turn out? Is there a way that I
could view them?" I think that would be quite telling.
[/quote]
I guess I never discussed this with her directly, but the church
has an online presence where photos of events are posted, and
sometimes even has printed out photos to be pinned to a bulletin
board. She knows that the church asks for photos people have
taken to be shared with others - but she doesn't.
[/quote]
It might be that she has a problem with follow-through. She
likes *taking* the pictures, but actually printing them or
posting them could be too much effort for her. Has anyone
actually asked her about it?
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