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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: LifeOnPluto Date: August 25, 2020, 3:04 am
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Oof - this is a tough one! I'd say "it depends".
If it was just a relative re-posting a few pics, and/or if those
pics featured the relative (for example, if Aunt Harriet
re-posts three pics from 50, and they all feature her), then
yes, I think the LW is being a bit precious.
But if these relative are re-posting whole swathes of photos, or
these photos don't really feature the relative in question, I
can understand why the LW is feeling a bit miffed - especially
if they have some extra degree of artistic quality to them.
#Post#: 56425--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Aleko Date: August 25, 2020, 3:22 am
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If the photographer is going to some effort to crop and tweak
his work to show it at its best, he certainly can take the time
to create a suitable watermark: one that doesn’t look like a
‘this is commercial property, do not reuse’, but more like a
cheery personal message to the people he’s sending it to. I’m
thinking of some variation on ‘Photo by Sam Gamgee, for all the
family!’ or ‘for everyone who was there!’, in a nice decorative
font. This won’t stop people sharing/re-posting/downloading and
printing his pictures, and if he really doesn’t want that to
happen he just shouldn’t post them on Facebook at all. But it
will mean that wherever they are shared or re-posted they will
have his name and his intentions clearly marked on them, and if
anyone actually wants to pirate his work they will have to do
some serious work themselves.
#Post#: 56432--------------------------------------------------
Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: DaDancingPsych Date: August 25, 2020, 7:58 am
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I have been thinking about this and I am picturing Cousin
Richard posting a photo of Great Aunt Bertha at the family
reunion. And on the photo, he has a watermark. I don't think my
first reaction would be "Richard is so high maintenance!!!"
(unless he truly is in other ways.) I think my reaction would
probably be more towards "I didn't know Richard was so serious
about his photography". I might reach out to him to learn more
and he could explain the situation. I really don't see the harm
in using the watermark, if that is what the LW prefers.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 25, 2020, 8:19 am
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56432#msg56432
date=1598360291]
I have been thinking about this and I am picturing Cousin
Richard posting a photo of Great Aunt Bertha at the family
reunion. And on the photo, he has a watermark. I don't think my
first reaction would be "Richard is so high maintenance!!!"
(unless he truly is in other ways.) I think my reaction would
probably be more towards "I didn't know Richard was so serious
about his photography". I might reach out to him to learn more
and he could explain the situation. I really don't see the harm
in using the watermark, if that is what the LW prefers.
[/quote]
I would think this too. No harm in using the watermark, but it
comes across as unusual to me in the context of family reunion
photos UNLESS Cousin Richard had been asked to take photos for
the reunion.
We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 25, 2020, 9:30 am
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
... We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
That is really odd! Was her camera a film camera perhaps and
she thought anyone interested would ask to see the prints? If
it's a digital camera maybe she's putting them on her computer
and not realizing that she has to guide other people to where to
find them. Or maybe she thinks you will all just gather around
her and view them directly from her screen. ;-D
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 25, 2020, 11:46 am
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[quote author=gramma dishes link=topic=1826.msg56440#msg56440
date=1598365811]
[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56434#msg56434
date=1598361545]
... We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship
events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take
photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH
ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is
extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any
rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take
many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF
THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event.
When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these
photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at
future events.
[/quote]
That is really odd! Was her camera a film camera perhaps and
she thought anyone interested would ask to see the prints? If
it's a digital camera maybe she's putting them on her computer
and not realizing that she has to guide other people to where to
find them. Or maybe she thinks you will all just gather around
her and view them directly from her screen. ;-D
[/quote]
It appeared to be a digital camera to me. I got the sense that
she knew how to share them but chose not to. Which - totally
fine! They are her photos to share or not share. It was just
that she set up this expectation that she was doing a favor for
the congregation and then......she didn’t?
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 25, 2020, 12:43 pm
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56454#msg56454
date=1598374017]
...
It appeared to be a digital camera to me. I got the sense that
she knew how to share them but chose not to. Which - totally
fine! They are her photos to share or not share. It was just
that she set up this expectation that she was doing a favor for
the congregation and then......she didn’t?
[/quote]
That really is strange! Maybe she just wanted to call
everyone's attention to her new fancy camera? Or it may be that
she realized that maybe she wasn't really quite as talented a
photographer as she had believed herself to be and was a little
embarrassed that her pictures weren't quite as impressive as she
had led people to expect.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Codewoman1125 Date: August 25, 2020, 1:36 pm
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Perhaps her announcement was to let people know she was taking
their photo, so they wouldn't complain if she published them.
Which, I know, is a mistake.
Or perhaps it was so people would hire her as a professional.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 25, 2020, 1:58 pm
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[quote author=Codewoman1125 link=topic=1826.msg56472#msg56472
date=1598380605]
Perhaps her announcement was to let people know she was taking
their photo, so they wouldn't complain if she published them.
Which, I know, is a mistake.
Or perhaps it was so people would hire her as a professional.
[/quote]
Usually the professional will show a portfolio of their images.
Who would hire someone to take pictures at their important
event without seeing an example of the finished product? ???
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: jpcher Date: August 25, 2020, 2:36 pm
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56320#msg56320
date=1598102365]
<SNIP>
[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56309#msg56309
date=1598041794]
As a graphic designer I can't tell you how many times people
come to me and ask me to use this specific photo. I immediately
ask them where the photo originated from. Their response "Oh, I
got it off the internet." Nope, nope, nope, not going to happen.
Unless they can show me the site the photo came from and prove
that it's in public domain I'm not going to go down for
copyright infringement.
[/quote]
To be clear, I completely agree (and probably the law supports)
what you are saying jpcher! If the situation is a professional
setting and the photo is to be used on the website, company
letter, or even the company Facebook page, you best gain
permission, give credit to the photographer, and potentially pay
for its usage. This even goes if a company employee
(non-professional photographer) snaps a photo at the company
party with their personal smart phone. (I am sure that there is
a way to assign an employee to take photographs that instantly
become company property, but I would still think it appropriate
to credit that person.)
However, my sense of the LW's situation is not a professional
company. People are reposting and swiping pictures for their
personal use and likely not profiting from them in any shape or
form. In a strict etiquette sense, yes, these family members
should be asking Cousin LW to "share" the photo on their own
Facebook page. But the etiquette norms (at least in my circle of
Facebook friends) is that it's really not necessary. If I post a
picture of my bestie Ellen, I have no problem if she puts it on
her wall, downloads it and emails it to her mom, or if she
prints it to be framed in her living room. I don't think that
when she's doing this that she is taking credit for the photo.
Now if she sent it in for a photo contest, then I might have an
issue!
Now I will say that I belong to a few Facebook groups where
there are rules in place that you can't share people's posts
(which includes photos) with those outside of the group. I get
why this rule is in place. And since it is an established rule
by the admin, I think we all need to abide by it. If I don't
like it, I can leave the group.
I don't want to muddy the discussion, but I have a loose
understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely
other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of
Facebook. I wonder how that could change things.
This is an interesting topic! Thank you Hmmm for posting!!!
[/quote]
True. I posted as a professional with strong ethics.
True. This was/is a family gathering and photos were shared with
attendees who then went on to share the photos with other
friends via internet (Facebook or whatever).
True. Those photos are now out there in the cloud somewhere
where anybody can pick them up and use them for whatever purpose
they'd like. Without consent or credit to the photographer.
True. I'm not arguing with anybody here, I mostly agree with
your posts about personal photos. However I do think that LW is
not high maintenance and anyone that publishes photos on-line
should seriously think about watermarking or signing their
photos.
Who knows? Maybe one of your photos would be worth big bucks but
you don't get credit (or money) for it.
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