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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 21, 2020, 5:37 pm
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56309#msg56309
date=1598041794]
If relatives ask him about this he could say "Oh, you know
social media and the internet. I don't want my photos to be
stolen and sold for money without credit to me."
[/quote]
I think he could say this but I do think that some people would
be like, "Who would steal your photos and sell them for
money?!?"
I think we've had threads about this before where amateur
photographers want to be paid for their photos. For the most
part, I am not going to pay for a photo unless I hired a
photographer for a photo shoot for some reason. If someone gets
an amazing shot of my daughter doing gymnastics and shows it to
me and then says "You can have it for $10," I would not likely
pay the money and I would think....somehow less of the person
who asked for the money. It's just a weird thing to do in my
opinion.
That said, I have no problem paying for professional photos of
her from her State gymnastics meet because I agreed up front to
hire a professional photographer to take them.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: MarisaWood Date: August 21, 2020, 5:46 pm
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I am the creator/admin of one music-related Facebook fan page,
and a moderator of another. Sharing photos without permission
has been an ongoing problem taking up my admin time on both.
On the page I created, the top two rules are as follows:
1. No sharing of private photos or videos without a) giving
credit to where you got it from; and b) asking permission of the
original owner.
2. Please respect [musician's] privacy and the privacy of his
family. That includes photos and videos on his sons' accounts
as mentioned in #1.
NOTE: Photos that were meant to be public, such as those from
the band's official page, are OK to post on my page provided
credit is given to the photographer, e.g. "Photo by Henry
Diltz." Giving credit where credit is due is just common
courtesy, and not "high maintenance."
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: mime Date: August 21, 2020, 6:34 pm
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When I go to family events, lots of people take pictures and
share them. Many of them even touch up the images like the LW
describes. We view the shared pics as being about the people in
them and not about the quality or the person who captured it, so
nobody thinks twice about saving and sharing. They're just not
viewed as someone's work. Even if someone did put in extra work.
That's just normal in my circles.
We can't tell from the letter how LW was even presenting his
pics. If a couple people who didn't consider themselves to be
'elevated' photographers were freely sharing casual snapshots
and he threw his into the mix as well, then it would be easy to
assume that everything was free for the taking. If he has a
different expectation then he has to make that clear. The
watermark suggestion is a nice way to accomplish that.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 21, 2020, 7:07 pm
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[quote author=pjeans link=topic=1826.msg56314#msg56314
date=1598052868]
If he has a different expectation then he has to make that
clear. The watermark suggestion is a nice way to accomplish
that.
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Agreed! I think managing expectations at the outset is important
for sure. That said, if a family member watermarked family
photos I would think that a little odd. But no worries....who
care what anyone else thinks anyway, really! If the photographer
feels better with a watermark, do the watermark and then
everyone can be happy!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: DaDancingPsych Date: August 22, 2020, 8:19 am
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<SNIP>
[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56309#msg56309
date=1598041794]
As a graphic designer I can't tell you how many times people
come to me and ask me to use this specific photo. I immediately
ask them where the photo originated from. Their response "Oh, I
got it off the internet." Nope, nope, nope, not going to happen.
Unless they can show me the site the photo came from and prove
that it's in public domain I'm not going to go down for
copyright infringement.
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To be clear, I completely agree (and probably the law supports)
what you are saying jpcher! If the situation is a professional
setting and the photo is to be used on the website, company
letter, or even the company Facebook page, you best gain
permission, give credit to the photographer, and potentially pay
for its usage. This even goes if a company employee
(non-professional photographer) snaps a photo at the company
party with their personal smart phone. (I am sure that there is
a way to assign an employee to take photographs that instantly
become company property, but I would still think it appropriate
to credit that person.)
However, my sense of the LW's situation is not a professional
company. People are reposting and swiping pictures for their
personal use and likely not profiting from them in any shape or
form. In a strict etiquette sense, yes, these family members
should be asking Cousin LW to "share" the photo on their own
Facebook page. But the etiquette norms (at least in my circle of
Facebook friends) is that it's really not necessary. If I post a
picture of my bestie Ellen, I have no problem if she puts it on
her wall, downloads it and emails it to her mom, or if she
prints it to be framed in her living room. I don't think that
when she's doing this that she is taking credit for the photo.
Now if she sent it in for a photo contest, then I might have an
issue!
Now I will say that I belong to a few Facebook groups where
there are rules in place that you can't share people's posts
(which includes photos) with those outside of the group. I get
why this rule is in place. And since it is an established rule
by the admin, I think we all need to abide by it. If I don't
like it, I can leave the group.
I don't want to muddy the discussion, but I have a loose
understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely
other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of
Facebook. I wonder how that could change things.
This is an interesting topic! Thank you Hmmm for posting!!!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: oogyda Date: August 22, 2020, 12:33 pm
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DaDancingPsych!! Thid is what I was thinking. You expressed it
so well!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 22, 2020, 3:42 pm
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56320#msg56320
date=1598102365]
... I have a loose understanding that when I post pictures to
Facebook (and likely other Internet sites) that my photo
actually becomes property of Facebook. ...
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A surprising number of people do believe that but it isn't true.
It's pretty much been declared a hoax by a large number of
very reputable organizations. But of course that doesn't mean
that we shouldn't still be very careful about what we put "out
there".
HTML https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/08/19/facebook-scam/#57275a1da4cf
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: DaDancingPsych Date: August 22, 2020, 6:19 pm
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[quote author=gramma dishes link=topic=1826.msg56327#msg56327
date=1598128941]
[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56320#msg56320
date=1598102365]
... I have a loose understanding that when I post pictures to
Facebook (and likely other Internet sites) that my photo
actually becomes property of Facebook. ...
[/quote]
A surprising number of people do believe that but it isn't true.
It's pretty much been declared a hoax by a large number of
very reputable organizations. But of course that doesn't mean
that we shouldn't still be very careful about what we put "out
there".
HTML https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/08/19/facebook-scam/#57275a1da4cf
[/quote]
Thanks for sharing! I always assumed that it was in the fine
print when I set-up my account. Now, I definitely never believed
that if I copied/pasted that post going around that it would
void this. Either way, ignore my thought!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 22, 2020, 8:14 pm
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56329#msg56329
date=1598138356]
Thanks for sharing! I always assumed that it was in the fine
print when I set-up my account. Now, I definitely never believed
that if I copied/pasted that post going around that it would
void this. Either way, ignore my thought!
[/quote]
No, no, no! A lot of people believe this and I think it's a
good thing that you brought it up. I'm sure other people on
here have heard that too and probably believe it. Sometimes we
need to uncover stuff for each other. :)
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: pierrotlunaire0 Date: August 23, 2020, 2:50 pm
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My gut feeling when I read the Miss Manners letter is that the
people who would share this are most likely family of the people
in the photos, and they probably don't even realize that the LW
put any work into this at all. They are just happy to have
photos of people that they know.
If it really bothers the LW, then maybe he should watermark
them. If I thought it was a great photo of Aunt Harriet, the
watermark wouldn't bother me. And if I thought it was a
beautifully photographed picture of people I didn't know or
barely knew, I wouldn't share it anyway.
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