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Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Hmmm Date: August 19, 2020, 10:32 am
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This is in reference to below Miss Manners letter. Amateur
photographer is upset family members download photos or share
the photos without giving credit to the photographer for taking
the photos.
HTML https://www.uexpress.com/miss-manners/2020/8/19/getting-credit-for-photos-on-social
[quote]At a recent family event, I took many photos, which I
brightened and enhanced to the best quality and posted on my
social media account. My relatives have saved them to their
phones and reposted the photos as their own, instead of sharing
a link to mine.[/quote]
In reading this, it made me realize that I see photos and need
for credit based on the subject of the photo. If I see a photo
of scenery or inanimate object or say a butterfly, I've never
thought of that as more of artwork and not something I think
would be appropriate to download or share without the
photographer's approval and giving credit.
However, if it is photos from a social event amongst family and
friends, to me those are posted for sharing. As the viewer, I
seldom think much about the person behind the camera and
honestly really don't care who took the photo. If it is
especially attractive, I might comment about the quality of the
photo. But even photos taken of me, I sometimes don't remember
who was the actual photographer. For example, there is a photo I
have of me taken in my home holding my great-niece. It's a great
photo of me and her. But I know longer remember if it was sent
to me by my sister, my nephew or another family member. So even
if I wanted to give credit, I wouldn't know who to credit.
I also have a really nice photo of my family at a wedding with a
beautiful skyline with the sunsetting in the background. It was
not taken by the wedding photographer but someone else at the
wedding using my phone. So again, would the photographer get
credit for their nice composition even though it was me who
requested the photo be taken in that spot and I provided the
equipment?
I am also curious if the photographer in the letter received
approval to upload each and every photo from every subject
photographed.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: gramma dishes Date: August 19, 2020, 11:39 am
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No one has the right to lift/steal someone else's image and
claim it as their own work. Most people know that and would
never even think about doing that. (It also happens to be
against the law.) But when it's friends and/or family at a
personal event people seem to think everyone's pictures belong
to the group instead of the individual photographers.
I don't think people who do that are really attempting to imply
that the enhanced (Photoshopped) images were taken and edited by
themselves, they just consider all pictures of the event to be
community property.
There is nothing wrong with signing the photographers name at
the bottom of the image, or if you don't have the equipment to
do that then just print the photographer's name underneath the
picture. Then if someone lifts the photo and Photoshops the
name back out of the picture, yes there's a problem that needs
to be addressed!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: oogyda Date: August 21, 2020, 12:54 pm
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I finally got around to reading the article/letter in the link.
I have to admit, my first thought was the same as Miss Manners'.
That their relatives already think they're high maintenance.
They at least have a high opinion of the amount of time and
effort they put into the photos if not their unstated skill.
If there is no way to make the pictures unshare able, I think
they either have to accept what is being done or put a
watermark.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: LurkingGurl Date: August 21, 2020, 1:55 pm
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I really don't understand why Miss Manners thinks its ok to tell
him that his relatives already think he's high maintenance.
He's not objecting to them reposting the pictures. He's
objecting to them downloading the pictures to their phones so
they can go around his account to post them.
Generally, people do this all the time to people they don't know
and that's why people watermark them but I think there is some
rudeness when you do it to someone you know.
His relatives should have some respect and at least ask him if
that's ok.
But since they won't, if I were him, I wouldn't publish anymore
photos from family events. Let them take their own!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 21, 2020, 2:06 pm
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I think the letter writer can be upset and probably should
watermark his photos, but I don't think his relatives are likely
to understand why he is upset. Obviously I don't know these
people, but I doubt they are trying to pass off the photos as
their own incredibly skilled photographic masterpieces. I
imagine they simply want to share photos of their family event.
The quality of the photo likely doesn't even matter to them -
they just are excited that a photo exists that shows great aunt
Margie holding the newest infant cousin.
I am not saying that the letter writer's photos are not high
quality - I would have no way of knowing. What I am saying is
that in this instance it is the subject of the photos and not
the quality of the photos that are the draw.
It may be better for the letter writer to take photos for only
his own enjoyment if it upsets him that others are sharing them.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 21, 2020, 2:12 pm
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1826.msg56296#msg56296
date=1598036798]
I think the letter writer can be upset and probably should
watermark his photos, but I don't think his relatives are likely
to understand why he is upset. Obviously I don't know these
people, but I doubt they are trying to pass off the photos as
their own incredibly skilled photographic masterpieces. I
imagine they simply want to share photos of their family event.
The quality of the photo likely doesn't even matter to them -
they just are excited that a photo exists that shows great aunt
Margie holding the newest infant cousin.
I am not saying that the letter writer's photos are not high
quality - I would have no way of knowing. What I am saying is
that in this instance it is the subject of the photos and not
the quality of the photos that are the draw.
It may be better for the letter writer to take photos for only
his own enjoyment if it upsets him that others are sharing them.
I participate in various events that are photographed by
participants and spectators. Some professional photographers
take and provide photos and are paid by the people running the
event. Other avid but not professional photographers take and
provide photos because they enjoy taking and providing photos.
And then there are people like me who are really pretty good
with an iPhone who snap photos and share them with the subjects
so that the subjects have photos of themselves doing cool
things. I would not use the professional photos without giving
credit to the professional photographer (and those photos are
typically watermarked) and I generally give photo credit when
sharing others photos, but it would never occur to me to be
angry that I was not given photo credit for photos I have taken,
even though I crop them and may use a lightbox app to adjust
lighting.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: DaDancingPsych Date: August 21, 2020, 2:50 pm
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I don't know that the relatives are taking the photos and
claiming it to be their photography work. If you asked them, my
guess is that they would either name the LW or actually not know
where they got the photo. So if the real concern is not getting
credit, then watermark the photo. Sure, family members may think
that you are high maintenance if this is not within the norm of
the family, but it seems to solve the problem.
If the problem is family members "stealing" the photos, then
don't post them in places where this can happen. I would think
that most people are sharing such photos so that others can
enjoy them and not necessarily just fawn over the LW's hard
work. It would probably be kinder to ask permission prior to
reposting or downloading a photo, but I don't think that that is
the norm in all groups.
I don't know the LW, so I don't know if this is the case, but I
have noticed in the past few years that everyone has suddenly
become a semi-professional photographer. The technology has
gotten to the point where almost anyone can take a decent photo.
But I don't know that that alone makes you a photographer. I
know a number of people who have even tried to start a side
business being a photographer and I can't figure out how they
are anymore skilled than a family member taking the photos.
(Again, I don't really know if that describes the LW.) However,
I wonder if this phenomena where they fit into the category of
"self proclaimed photographer" or if the fact that everyone else
thinks that they are skilled that the LW isn't getting seen for
the skills that they have.
I say all this and I would be the first to say that it would be
wrong to steal an artist's or professional's work, so... I guess
I'm not sure what I think!
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: Jem Date: August 21, 2020, 3:07 pm
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[quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1826.msg56303#msg56303
date=1598039409]
I don't know the LW, so I don't know if this is the case, but I
have noticed in the past few years that everyone has suddenly
become a semi-professional photographer. The technology has
gotten to the point where almost anyone can take a decent photo.
But I don't know that that alone makes you a photographer. I
know a number of people who have even tried to start a side
business being a photographer and I can't figure out how they
are anymore skilled than a family member taking the photos.
(Again, I don't really know if that describes the LW.) However,
I wonder if this phenomena where they fit into the category of
"self proclaimed photographer" or if the fact that everyone else
thinks that they are skilled that the LW isn't getting seen for
the skills that they have.
[/quote]
Totally this! I know a few people who have VERY expensive
photography equipment, but they lack an eye for photography or
don't fully understand how to adjust settings for light and
activity so their photos are not good (and often worse than
photos taken by a child on a phone). And then there are people
who take amazing shots with just an iPhone. Especially with the
new settings a person can get "portrait" focus with a touch and
the photos turn out really well if the person has an eye for
photography. My eleven year old does have a good eye for
photography and takes seriously great photos with her iPhone.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: jpcher Date: August 21, 2020, 3:29 pm
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I don't understand, from the letter, why Miss Manners thinks the
relatives "already think you are high-maintenance."
Unless the LW whines to the relatives "Don't pass around my
photos without my consent!" or some such thing. But there is
nothing in the letter that indicates that.
It's obvious that LW is skilled in photoshop or whatever program
he uses to retouch photos so I see absolutely nothing wrong with
him putting his signature (scanned in actual signature, fancier
and less obtrusive than "photo credit by" ;)) on the bottom of
his photos. I think this is absolutely a must.
If relatives ask him about this he could say "Oh, you know
social media and the internet. I don't want my photos to be
stolen and sold for money without credit to me."
As a graphic designer I can't tell you how many times people
come to me and ask me to use this specific photo. I immediately
ask them where the photo originated from. Their response "Oh, I
got it off the internet." Nope, nope, nope, not going to happen.
Unless they can show me the site the photo came from and prove
that it's in public domain I'm not going to go down for
copyright infringement.
Even during company events if someone wants me to use a photo
that they took from their phone I have to ask "Did all the
people in the photo sign a photo release form so that their
photo could be used in X newsletter?"
Okay, I'm rambling. My answer is LW is perfectly within his
rights to sign his photos and not be considered high
maintenance.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
By: oogyda Date: August 21, 2020, 5:08 pm
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1826.msg56309#msg56309
date=1598041794]
Okay, I'm rambling. My answer is LW is perfectly within his
rights to sign his photos and not be considered high
maintenance.
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LW is perfectly within his rights to sign his photos and not
consider himself high maintenance. Others are going to feel
however they feel.
In reading the letter, I got the feeling that LW thinks very
highly of himself, his efforts and his talents. If that comes
across in a letter, I'm sure it comes across in his person to
person dealings as well. That's where my agreement of "high
maintenance" comes from. I can't speak as to exactly why Miss
Manners wrote that. It's a nuance.
I certainly understand that your professional background gives
you a different perspective on the ownership of photographs and
what can and can't be done with them. But, your examples are of
use in a professional setting. Like others, I believe the
relatives that are sharing the photos are doing so in a casual
manner
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