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       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: TootsNYC Date: July 10, 2020, 9:48 am
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       It's not about looking at it so much as it is about cleaning it
       and cleaning around it, so "in plain sight" is not helpful for
       that goal. That's just something else to get dusty and
       pee-splattered.
       I figure a label of some kind will probably work for the
       incredibly rare someone in my home. It's not an office with lots
       of strangers coming through. The sink cabinet is rightnextto the
       toilet, so they'd be looking in that area for the brush or
       plunger anyway.
       #Post#: 54383--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: DaDancingPsych Date: July 10, 2020, 9:56 am
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       [quote author=TootsNYC link=topic=1778.msg54382#msg54382
       date=1594392529]
       I figure a label of some kind will probably work for the
       incredibly rare someone in my home. It's not an office with lots
       of strangers coming through. The sink cabinet is rightnextto the
       toilet, so they'd be looking in that area for the brush or
       plunger anyway.
       [/quote]
       I think that this is a solid consideration. The only people who
       visit me are close family and friends. They would have no
       problem asking for whatever they need. I would probably be so
       proud of my hiding spot, that I would have told them a long time
       before they need it!
       #Post#: 54384--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: TootsNYC Date: July 10, 2020, 10:33 am
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       [quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=1778.msg54383#msg54383
       date=1594393001]
       I would probably be so proud of my hiding spot, that I would
       have told them a long time before they need it!
       [/quote]
       I was talking about this whole issue at the dinner table last
       night, and this is the point my daughter made: I'd be showing it
       off to everyone, so they'd all know about it anyway.
       #Post#: 54386--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: bopper Date: July 10, 2020, 12:04 pm
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       I would take into account how often your toilet overflows and
       how often you have guests.  It may be your problem to clean up
       if the toilet overflows
       Although people can keep in mind if the toilet is about to
       overflow, they can take off the top of the toilet and pull up
       the plunger so the bowl won't keep filling
       #Post#: 54387--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: TootsNYC Date: July 10, 2020, 12:38 pm
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       I have a feeling that nobody I know would think of that
       solution, LOL!
       I've done it once in the past, but even I might forget nowadays.
       At least the lid to my toilet tank is curved, so you can't set
       anything on it. That means you can always lift it up ina  hurry.
       I should probably walk my kids through that kind of thing,
       prepare them for the real world.
       #Post#: 54391--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: oogyda Date: July 10, 2020, 1:55 pm
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       [quote author=TootsNYC link=topic=1778.msg54387#msg54387
       date=1594402733]
       I have a feeling that nobody I know would think of that
       solution, LOL!
       I've done it once in the past, but even I might forget nowadays.
       At least the lid to my toilet tank is curved, so you can't set
       anything on it. That means you can always lift it up ina  hurry.
       I should probably walk my kids through that kind of thing,
       prepare them for the real world.
       [/quote]
       Keep in mind that with all the new and improved technology,
       there are a few different kinds of "ball cocks (floats)"
       nowadays.  In fact, it's been almost 20 years since we've had
       that kind.  Now we have the ones where the float is on the fill
       tube.
       You're better off showing them how to turn off water at the
       inlet valve.  It's pretty much the same no matter how new the
       toilet is.
       I'm editing to say....Never mind.  Show them both ways and
       expose them to different kinds of floats.  Let them learn about
       the inner workings of a very basic item that most of us have in
       our homes.  You can teach them (or they can learn on youtube) to
       change out the little $5 flapper themselves instead of spending
       $XXX to have a plumber come do it.
       #Post#: 54392--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: Aleko Date: July 10, 2020, 1:59 pm
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       I'm baffled by the notion that the plunger and the toilet brush
       are in any sense a pair that need to be placed together, like
       say salt and pepper grinders. They absolutely aren't.
       The toilet brush is something that anyone who uses the toilet,
       whether resident or guest, may need in order to leave the bowl
       as they found it; which I think we're all agreed is a basic
       social duty. So it needs to be placed close to the toilet in
       plain sight; no guest should be obliged to hunt through
       cupboards or ask their hosts for it, both of which are
       embarrassing.
       The plunger is a tool that would only be required if the toilet
       should malfunction. In most households this is thankfully a rare
       occurrence, so that it no more needs to be left out for the use
       of guests than a spanner, screwdriver or hammer! Anyone whose
       toilet does often get blocked needs to make up their minds
       whether they would rather have their guests try to unblock it
       themselves or come to them to report the problem. Having
       decided, put up a sign saying that unfortunately blocks do
       randomly happen (makes them feel it wasn't necessarily their
       fault, so they don't have to be embarrassed) and what they
       should do if one does, e.g. 'Try flushing twice more. If that
       doesn't clear it,  let us know / use the plunger below this
       notice'.
       #Post#: 54396--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: jpcher Date: July 10, 2020, 2:56 pm
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       A tiny bit off topic . . . my DD#1 hides her toilet paper. Why?
       Because her cat is fond of unrolling it from the holder.
       When I visited her I went to the bathroom and saw the TP holder
       empty. I went back out and asked "Where do you keep your TP? It
       seems that you are out."
       She laughed and brought me into the bathroom and showed me the
       sticker that she had on the side of the cabinet (next to the
       toilet) with an arrow pointing to a drawer saying "TP is in
       here."
       I told her that "I actually like to check for TP before I sit
       down." She said "Oh, right. I didn't think of that." Then she
       put a sticker on the TP holder telling people where to look for
       the TP.
       Toots -- I see absolutely nothing wrong with your dream
       bathroom. My plunger and toilet brush sit in the utility closet
       and I would prefer that guests quietly mention something to me
       instead of trying to take care of it themselves.
       #Post#: 54401--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: Aleko Date: July 10, 2020, 4:39 pm
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       [quote]My plunger and toilet brush sit in the utility closet and
       I would prefer that guests quietly mention something to me
       instead of trying to take care of it themselves.[/quote]
       Dealing with a blockage - yes, I totally get that you wouldn't
       want visitors trying to wrangle that. But if there's just a
       smear or two on the toilet bowl, you really don't trust them to
       brush it off, and prefer to force them to mutter shamefacedly in
       your ear that they've had to leave a mess on the bowl because
       they couldn't find the appropriate implement to remove it?
       That's just cruel. I mean that. It forces conscientious people
       into an embarrassing situation.
       #Post#: 54410--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it rude to guests if you hide the plunger in your bathroo
       m?
       By: OnyxBird Date: July 10, 2020, 10:29 pm
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       [quote author=Aleko link=topic=1778.msg54401#msg54401
       date=1594417152]
       [quote]My plunger and toilet brush sit in the utility closet and
       I would prefer that guests quietly mention something to me
       instead of trying to take care of it themselves.[/quote]
       Dealing with a blockage - yes, I totally get that you wouldn't
       want visitors trying to wrangle that. But if there's just a
       smear or two on the toilet bowl, you really don't trust them to
       brush it off, and prefer to force them to mutter shamefacedly in
       your ear that they've had to leave a mess on the bowl because
       they couldn't find the appropriate implement to remove it?
       That's just cruel. I mean that. It forces conscientious people
       into an embarrassing situation.
       [/quote]
       Um, I wonder if there's a difference in toilets at play here. I
       know that I encountered toilets in Germany (in private homes
       rather than public facilities) that had a very different shape
       to the bowl compared to American toilets that made them much
       more prone to retaining smears that needed to be brushed away.
       (This is not just my perception, either. A host family I stayed
       with noted the difference and pointed out the toilet brush kept
       handy.) I suspect that the average flush volume of American
       toilets may be higher as well. I don't know how English toilets
       compare.
       I'm honestly not even sure if we have a toilet brush in our
       house. It's not a tool we use to actually scrub our toilets, and
       needing it for "smears" has just never seemed to be an issue.
       We're not out to cruelly doom our guests to embarrassment by not
       displaying a toilet brush--it's just not an item we use and thus
       we don't keep one around. (We do have a plunger, but it's not
       kept in the bathroom.)
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