URI:
   DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Bad Manners and Brimstone
  HTML https://badmanners.createaforum.com
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       *****************************************************
   DIR Return to: Life in General
       *****************************************************
       #Post#: 48789--------------------------------------------------
       Re: "Don't wear that outfit. I just had a baby."
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: March 17, 2020, 3:04 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       I'm 100% with Toots. Any new mum, however delighted with her
       baby, may reasonably be wondering with dismay when, if ever, her
       battered body will be able to fit into her nicest clothes again.
       Also, more seriously, it's just sinking in that even if she
       does, now she has this beloved burden she'll never be the
       carefree young woman she was before. Given the enormous
       emotional adjustments of new parenthood plus the hormonal
       overload, I don't think anyone should blame her too much if
       seeing her slim, carefree,
       not-held-together-by-stitches-in-sensitive-places friend caused
       her to voice some of all this distress to another friend in the
       form of a complaint. But the best service a true friend can do
       for a person under heavy emotional stress who lets slip an
       unworthy remark about a third party is listen soothingly and
       shut up about it, not pick it up and run straight to that person
       and say 'You hurt Hannah!'.
       #Post#: 48796--------------------------------------------------
       Re: "Don't wear that outfit. I just had a baby."
   DIR By: Jem
       Date: March 17, 2020, 8:51 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: Aleko link ---
       >
       > I'm 100% with Toots. Any new mum, however delighted with her
       baby, may reasonably be wondering with dismay when, if ever, her
       battered body will be able to fit into her nicest clothes again.
       Also, more seriously, it's just sinking in that even if she
       does, now she has this beloved burden she'll never be the
       carefree young woman she was before. Given the enormous
       emotional adjustments of new parenthood plus the hormonal
       overload, I don't think anyone should blame her too much if
       seeing her slim, carefree,
       not-held-together-by-stitches-in-sensitive-places friend caused
       her to voice some of all this distress to another friend in the
       form of a complaint. But the best service a true friend can do
       for a person under heavy emotional stress who lets slip an
       unworthy remark about a third party is listen soothingly and
       shut up about it, not pick it up and run straight to that person
       and say 'You hurt Hannah!'.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Also, this is one of the (perhaps few) times when I think it
       would be fair to say "Hannah was hurt" as opposed to "something
       you did hurt Hannah." The slim, carefree,
       not-held-together-by-stitches friend was not being these things
       AT Hannah. She was just living her life.
       #Post#: 49463--------------------------------------------------
       Re: "Don't wear that outfit. I just had a baby."
   DIR By: Victoria
       Date: April 1, 2020, 9:30 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       This is a great example of "Concern Trolling," where an
       otherwise uninvolved person is just itching to be offended on
       someone else's behalf and inserts themselves into the
       conversation.
       #Post#: 49481--------------------------------------------------
       Re: "Don't wear that outfit. I just had a baby."
   DIR By: TootsNYC
       Date: April 1, 2020, 12:44 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: Jem link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Aleko link=topic=1655.msg48789#msg48789
       date=1584432285]
       > But the best service a true friend can do for a person under
       heavy emotional stress who lets slip an unworthy remark about a
       third party is listen soothingly and shut up about it, not pick
       it up and run straight to that person and say 'You hurt
       Hannah!'.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Also, this is one of the (perhaps few) times when I think it
       would be fair to say "Hannah was hurt" as opposed to "something
       you did hurt Hannah." The slim, carefree,
       not-held-together-by-stitches friend was not being these things
       AT Hannah. She was just living her life.
       [/quote]
       I think in some situations, sharing Hannah's reaction with a
       good friend--in a SHARING way, might result in the letter
       writer's deciding to occasionally not wear "skinny" clothes when
       she knows she's going to see Hannah, out of an abundance of
       goodwill and caring. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
       But I don't think I'd pass on that thought at all, were I the
       friend in the middle. Hannah deserves to not have her thoughts
       broadcast to everyone who knows her.
       #Post#: 49504--------------------------------------------------
       Re: "Don't wear that outfit. I just had a baby."
   DIR By: Victoria
       Date: April 1, 2020, 4:44 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: TootsNYC link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Jem link=topic=1655.msg48796#msg48796
       date=1584453116]
       > [quote author=Aleko link=topic=1655.msg48789#msg48789
       date=1584432285]
       > But the best service a true friend can do for a person under
       heavy emotional stress who lets slip an unworthy remark about a
       third party is listen soothingly and shut up about it, not pick
       it up and run straight to that person and say 'You hurt
       Hannah!'.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Also, this is one of the (perhaps few) times when I think it
       would be fair to say "Hannah was hurt" as opposed to "something
       you did hurt Hannah." The slim, carefree,
       not-held-together-by-stitches friend was not being these things
       AT Hannah. She was just living her life.
       [/quote]
       I think in some situations, sharing Hannah's reaction with a
       good friend--in a SHARING way, might result in the letter
       writer's deciding to occasionally not wear "skinny" clothes when
       she knows she's going to see Hannah, out of an abundance of
       goodwill and caring. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
       But I don't think I'd pass on that thought at all, were I the
       friend in the middle. Hannah deserves to not have her thoughts
       broadcast to everyone who knows her.
       [/quote]
       I personally think it would be a bad thing. I've noticed a
       general trend of people attempting to foist the management of
       their feelings onto other people, and attempting to cater to
       Hannah in this way would be feeding into that. Hannah's allowed
       to feel how she feels, but I don't think anyone else should be
       encouraged to expend the mental bandwidth to dress themselves
       accordingly.
       (Edited for grammar.)
       *****************************************************
       Page 2 of 2
   DIR Previous Page