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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Jem Date: March 1, 2020, 7:08 am
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[quote author=kidsandme link=topic=1645.msg48066#msg48066
date=1583026310]
Just to answer a few questions,
I am paid based on hours worked not a flat salary.
The conferences are optional but I am given $X to use at my
discretion for the conferences that I choose, if I choose that.
The confrences are not mandatory.
My issue is, that why am I given $X but would have to miss out
double to triple the amount of hourly pay.
The company will gain money if I take them up on the offer to
cover my admission fee for a confrence.
[/quote]
Since you are an hourly worker (not salaried) and the
conferences are not mandatory I think you can ask whether you
will be essentially doubly compensated to attend the conferences
but I don’t think your company is doing anything wrong.
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Isisnin Date: March 1, 2020, 12:33 pm
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It sounds like the company paying the entrance fee for a
conference is more like a tuition reimbursement benefit for
which jobs do not pay for the employees time attending.
Especially since the conference is one of your choosing (again
like tuition).
I'm not following the company paying employees double to triple
more to attend a conference. I was never so lucky to work for
such a company.
Ask a Manager doe sound like a good forum for this question. But
they (and we) might need more info as to what your job is and
what kind of conferences you choose attend.
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Hmmm Date: March 1, 2020, 1:05 pm
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[quote author=Isisnin link=topic=1645.msg48083#msg48083
date=1583087596]
It sounds like the company paying the entrance fee for a
conference is more like a tuition reimbursement benefit for
which jobs do not pay for the employees time attending.
Especially since the conference is one of your choosing (again
like tuition).
I'm not following the company paying employees double to triple
more to attend a conference. I was never so lucky to work for
such a company.
Ask a Manager doe sound like a good forum for this question. But
they (and we) might need more info as to what your job is and
what kind of conferences you choose attend.
[/quote]
I think you make a very good point about the company viewing
these situations as tuition reimbursement. How does your company
handle mandatory training?
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Isisnin Date: March 1, 2020, 10:47 pm
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[quote author=Hmmm link=topic=1645.msg48084#msg48084
date=1583089541]
[quote author=Isisnin link=topic=1645.msg48083#msg48083
date=1583087596]
It sounds like the company paying the entrance fee for a
conference is more like a tuition reimbursement benefit for
which jobs do not pay for the employees time attending.
Especially since the conference is one of your choosing (again
like tuition). ....
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I think you make a very good point about the company viewing
these situations as tuition reimbursement. How does your company
handle mandatory training?
[/quote]
Employers usually pay employees' their wages for mandatory
training since it is a job requirement. Like when new software
is being installed and everyone has to sign up for in-house
training during office hours. Or HR holds training about sexual
harassment or unconscious bias. Such training/classes are not
voluntary and directly effect their jobs.
But in the OP's case, she chooses the conference so it is not
mandatory nor required. Also it "should" help the OP do her job
better. That's not directly effecting her job.
The company paying for the conference fee really sounds like
just a tuition reimbursement-like benefit they offer.
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Rose Red Date: March 2, 2020, 6:22 am
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With the update, I have to agree they probably don't legally
have to pay an additional salary since the conferences are not
mandatory.
I'm also a bit confused about the money allotted for conferences
"if I choose that." Does that mean you keep the money if you
don't choose to go to any conferences? Is that what you mean by
double or triple pay? Your wording is a bit confusing ???
#Post#: 48109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: NewHomeowner Date: March 2, 2020, 6:44 am
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What she is saying is that
If she goes to the conference, they will pay her way in. Say
$10.
If she goes to work instead, she'll get paid for that. That pays
$20-$30. Double or triple what the conference cost.
So, if she goes to the conference, she only gets $10 for the
day, whereas if she went to work, she'd get $20-30.
Does that make sense now?
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: bopper Date: March 2, 2020, 7:55 am
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If You are salaried they have to pay that salary if you are
working.
I am pretty sure it is illegal to withhold salary.
If you are an hourly worker I still think they should be paying
your wages...if they are willing
to pay for the conference, they think it brings value to
work...this is like training where you are to be paid.
They are choosing to send you to/pay for a conference. The
information you receive
at the conference brings value to the company. If it doesn't,
they should not send you.
This is a perfect question for askamanager.org
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: bopper Date: March 2, 2020, 8:00 am
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[quote author=Jem link=topic=1645.msg48080#msg48080
date=1583068104]
Since you are an hourly worker (not salaried) and the
conferences are not mandatory I think you can ask whether you
will be essentially doubly compensated to attend the conferences
but I don’t think your company is doing anything wrong.
[/quote]
But the OP isn't doubly compensated...the OP doesn't get the
money...the OP gets to go to the conference where they will gain
information that will be helpful to the company.
I don't see it as "tuition reimbursement" but as training.
If you went to a training class for work, you would still get
paid as it benefits the company.
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: Hmmm Date: March 2, 2020, 9:13 am
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Basically, the company is saying that they will not pay you to
attend these optional conferences, but will need to do it on
your own time. If you want to attend, you have to take vacation
time or go without pay. Because attendance is optional, they
probably aren't legally required to attend.
I remember back about 10 years ago, and youngish employee in our
department was upset that though the company was reimbursing him
to take PMO institute classes, but required him take the classes
and do the studying on his personal time. We thought it was
outlandish to think that he should be allocated 10 to 15 hours a
week for 12 weeks to do the course.
I can see where it is hard to draw the line between "personal
professional development" that will make me a better employee in
the future versus required training that I need to be able to do
my job now.
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Re: Expenses plus Salary
By: TootsNYC Date: March 2, 2020, 9:33 am
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if they might benefit from your training, I think that morally
they should pay you for a normal work day.
Or for the time that you're actually at the conference.
But in the U.S., your state labor board will be the one to rule
on this--they are normally good at answering questions. I'd
contact them.
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