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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: oogyda Date: November 15, 2019, 8:57 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1403.msg42059#msg42059
date=1573822570]
So it may seem odd to you, but that's the way it is here. After
all, the fact that there wasn't a queue when you slipped into
the disabled cubicle doesn't mean that some disabled person in
dire need isn't going to arrive three seconds after you ago in!
[/quote]
Who's to say that some disabled person in dire need isn't going
to arrive three seconds after another disabled person goes in.
They'd have to wait. Exactly as they would have to wait if a
non-disabled person went in before they arrived.
I don't consider myself disabled. But I am overweight and have
arthritic knees. Being large makes it difficult to maneuver in
some stalls. Having arthritis in my knees makes it hurt to
squat too low. So, if given the opportunity, I will, without
remorse, use the handicap stall/room.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: NewHomeowner Date: November 15, 2019, 9:09 am
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[quote]
No, there is no tag for it, unlike the blue badge showing you
can use a disabled parking place. This can cause difficulties
for people with a non-obvious disability, and also the
wheelchair sign causes many people to assume that only
wheelchair users can use them. In the last couple of years some
places have started adding a "not all disabilities are visible"
slogan to the sign: here's an article about that, featuring an
anecdote from a disabled person who encountered a security guard
at Wembley Stadium who tried to prevent her using the disabled
toilet because he thought they were only for wheelchair users:
HTML http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39339946/why-these-new-signs-are-appearing-on-disabled-toilets.<br
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That all being said, *I* always use the 'disabled' stall when
it's available. I'm not disabled, at least I don't consider
myself disabled. I'm just fat. Quite frankly, my hips do not
fit into most regular-sized stalls. Even those that fit usually
have the TP contraption and waste basket at knee level, which
*makes* the stall useable for me. So I stand in line with the
rest of the women, and when my turn comes up, I move over next
to the larger stall and tell the next ladies to 'take whatever
opens, I'm waiting for the big stall'.
I am not disabled, just larger than average.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: Hanna Date: November 15, 2019, 9:46 am
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In my opinion if you need the larger stall, the reason doesn’t
matter, you’re entitled to use it.
In the US when there is a line, I use whichever is available
first. If someone that required the larger stall came in while I
was in line I’d gladly let them take it.
I’m almost never in a line for the bathroom. I do like using the
larger ones in airports when I have my luggage, but only if
there aren’t other people around.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: Nestholder Date: November 15, 2019, 10:03 am
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There is one shower stall at my gym which is equipped with a
chair, and a door that opens outwards. If I'm in line and that
is the only shower available, if there's nobody behind me, I'll
use it. If there's anyone behind me, I'll ask if they'd like
it, and if not, I will. Actually I don't think there's anyone
who prefers that stall, because it is no wider than any of the
others and the chair is a nuisance.
But I think the principle holds for toilets as well—it's good to
ask, in case anyone needs that stall for whatever reason, but
there's no sense leaving it unused if there is a queue.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: TootsNYC Date: November 15, 2019, 11:18 am
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[quote author=oogyda link=topic=1403.msg42065#msg42065
date=1573829877]
[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1403.msg42059#msg42059
date=1573822570]
So it may seem odd to you, but that's the way it is here. After
all, the fact that there wasn't a queue when you slipped into
the disabled cubicle doesn't mean that some disabled person in
dire need isn't going to arrive three seconds after you ago in!
[/quote]
Who's to say that some disabled person in dire need isn't going
to arrive three seconds after another disabled person goes in.
They'd have to wait. Exactly as they would have to wait if a
non-disabled person went in before they arrived.
I don't consider myself disabled. But I am overweight and have
arthritic knees. Being large makes it difficult to maneuver in
some stalls. Having arthritis in my knees makes it hurt to
squat too low. So, if given the opportunity, I will, without
remorse, use the handicap stall/room.
[/quote]
This is sort of how I look at it.
I just make sure i'm quick.
I was on a road trip once and standing in a line of 4 or 5 women
in the rest-stop bathroom while the disabled stall was wide
open. I checked outside and there wasn't anyone (with or without
a wheelchair) visibly making their way from the cars to the
building, so I asked the people in line, "Is anyone going to use
that handicapped stall?"
They all shook their heads. "Well, I'm going to use it. I'll be
quick, and if someone comes in, let me know." They all pursed
their lips at me, but I had to pee, and I was not going to stand
there waiting while a perfectly good toilet went unused.
I felt comfortable with my choice. And still do.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: TootsNYC Date: November 15, 2019, 11:20 am
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[quote author=Hanna link=topic=1403.msg42069#msg42069
date=1573832775]
I do like using the larger ones in airports when I have my
luggage, but only if there aren’t other people around.
[/quote]
All airports should have their bathroom stalls large enough to
fit your carryon luggage in there!
Don't tell me there wasn't floor space to make that bathroom
about 20 feet wider. Just don't. You can lose a little hallway
space.
And frankly, you could probably go without one stall to make it
happen--we'll all get in and out faster without the struggle, so
the stalls will turn over faster.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: lowspark Date: November 15, 2019, 11:53 am
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[quote author=Nestholder link=topic=1403.msg42071#msg42071
date=1573833787]
there's no sense leaving it unused if there is a queue.
[/quote]
That's it, in a nutshell, for me. And in my experience, it's the
generally accepted behavior, at least where I live. I don't
remember ever actually seeing a disability-accessible stall used
by someone who was disabled. Maybe I have, but it just didn't
stand out enough or happen often enough for it to stick in my
memory.
I think if there were a line in the restroom, and someone came
in and said, "I need to use the accessible stall", we'd all step
aside and let her. I just can't imagine it playing out any other
way. But if you have a line of 20 women and four stalls, to
leave one of them sitting idle just in case someone disabled
comes in, just doesn't make sense to me. At most, if she asks to
jump to the front of the line for that stall, she'd be waiting
behind one person who was currently occupying that stall. All
the rest of us are waiting behind 20 women. So I just don't see
it as a big deal to go ahead and use it in the meantime.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: NFPwife Date: November 15, 2019, 8:13 pm
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I just want to add that most, if not all, NYC subway station
elevators are dis.gust.ing. I'll spare the descriptors but I can
think of only one (Fulton Street) that isn't. Anyone using a
subway elevator in NYC needs to. Even if the reason isn't
obvious.
I have a travel hack for Fridays getting out of Manhattan -
especially if there's any sort of precipitation. (Actually two,
I'll do the one that involves subway elevators first.) I take a
subway to Long Island City and get off at Queens Plaza and get a
cab or a ride share from there to LaGuardia. That means I have
to take my luggage with me and if I've been there several days
or I've shopped, it's heavy and I don't feel confident taking it
down an escalator. I worry that it's going to knock into me
getting on and launch me down the escalator. I also don't want
to haul it up and down stairs. I look able bodied, but the
suitcase plus my work backpack are over half of my bodyweight.
I'm taking the elevator. And someone yelling that she has
priority to get on is just rude.
(My other travel hack is to use Lyft. I've found out that Lyft
doesn't tell drivers where the destination is when they accept
the ride, unlike Uber. I've had Uber drivers drop me in the app.
Once four times in a row! Cabbies hate driving to LGA on a good
day and, even though it's illegal, I've had some refuse to take
me when the doorman told them where I was going. (I had one
situation with a cabbie where I reported him to the licensing
body. He got fined. More people need to do it and maybe they'll
stop.) I've also had hired, scheduled, cars not turn up on rainy
or snowy Friday afternoons.)
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: LadyRexall Date: November 16, 2019, 12:23 pm
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Elevators are first come, first serve. Those who get there
first, get to board first. After it’s full, the rest wait for
the next elevator. She wasn’t being told not to use the
elevator, she simply had to wait her turn.
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Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
By: lakey Date: November 16, 2019, 12:53 pm
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[quote]Re: Mass transit ...elevator etiquette
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2019, 11:53:07 am »
Quote
Quote from: Nestholder on November 15, 2019, 10:03:07 am
there's no sense leaving it unused if there is a queue.
That's it, in a nutshell, for me. And in my experience, it's the
generally accepted behavior, at least where I live. I don't
remember ever actually seeing a disability-accessible stall used
by someone who was disabled. Maybe I have, but it just didn't
stand out enough or happen often enough for it to stick in my
memory.
I think if there were a line in the restroom, and someone came
in and said, "I need to use the accessible stall", we'd all step
aside and let her. I just can't imagine it playing out any other
way. But if you have a line of 20 women and four stalls, to
leave one of them sitting idle just in case someone disabled
comes in, just doesn't make sense to me. At most, if she asks to
jump to the front of the line for that stall, she'd be waiting
behind one person who was currently occupying that stall. All
the rest of us are waiting behind 20 women. So I just don't see
it as a big deal to go ahead and use it in the meantime.
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This is the way it is where I live. People routinely use the
accessible stall because it is almost never used by disabled
people. I don't think I've ever been in a public restroom where
a person in a wheelchair or using a walker came in. It's
provided for those times when someone needs it, but leaving it
unused for 99% of the time makes no sense. There is no law
restricting their use in my state.
Handicapped parking spots are different for a few reasons. They
appear to be much more heavily used than accessible bathroom
stalls. The use of a handicapped parking space is longer than
the use of a bathroom stall, so it isn't just a matter of a
person having to wait 2 minutes. There are laws restricting
their use.
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