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Hypocrisy?
By: Jem Date: September 29, 2019, 12:59 pm
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Every so often I see comments (not necessarily on this site)
that it is “okay” to make fun of someone (or talk down to or
about them) if the speaker believes the other person to be of
lesser intelligence, or even simply disagrees with their
opinion. These same commenters are often very vocal that it is
NOT okay to disparage the way a person looks (although
ironically I have seen some people applaud those who make fun of
people who have worked hard on their appearance).
Personally, I am not a fan of attacks regardless of the reason,
but I don’t understand why people believe it is okay to rip on
someone for certain characteristics or behaviors but not others.
Thoughts? Do you think it is okay to make fun of people in
certain circumstances?
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: lakey Date: September 29, 2019, 1:24 pm
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Criticism of your opinions can be just as hurtful as criticism
of your appearance. The thing is, if you publicly express an
opinion about something controversial, there will be some
backlash. The stronger your own views are, the stronger the
response will be. I have to watch myself because I am
opinionated and I have a tendency to be sarcastic. In my
personal relationships, for instance holidays with relatives, I
stay away from politics, or anything controversial.
Then there is the issue of the anonymity of the internet, which
makes it easier to say things that you would never say to a
person's face. I prefer moderated sites. It helps people to
restrain themselves.
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: TaurusGirl Date: September 29, 2019, 1:46 pm
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I don't know that I'd use the terms "make fun of", but I will
try to explain my way of thinking.
I will not challenge or mock someone about something over which
they have no control; physical appearance, speech impediment,
physical/mental disability. That would just be cruel.
However, if someone (in person or online), starts spouting
something that I either strongly disagree with, know to be
untrue, or that belittles or hurts others, I will challenge them
in that situation.
So for example, I have a good friend with a disability - I'm not
going to make fun of her for limping. I also have a former
friend who expressed a political view that I am adamantly
opposed to, as this view ostracises and hurts others - him I did
challenge, question, mock, and then cut off completely.
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: LurkingGurl Date: September 29, 2019, 2:35 pm
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Views and opinions should be questioned and challenged. But,
insulting or mocking them doesn't change anyone's mind and makes
the person doing so and their arguments seem weak.
Mocking or insulting a person is an attempt to shame them into
changing their view. Unless you have standing to shame someone,
ie, you have some kind of relevant authority over them, it's not
ok. Even then, it's not really ok.
And in the case of politics, I would say that it's never ok.
You (general) should be able to intelligently argue your own
points. If you can't do that, or someone is not open to
considering them, then there is no point in continuing and
mocking or insulting them just makes you rude.
Personally, I think that people who cut others off because of
politics are no better than people who do it because of
religion.
There is great wisdom in agreeing to disagree.
And there are situations where people use sarcasm and are a
little rough with each other but the center of their discussion
is still the issue and there isn't a meanness behind the
ribbing. They know they're not going to get fed up with each
other and cut each other off--they are just sparring. That's
ok, because the intent behind it is not to shame or insult.
Otherwise, what's the desired outcome? That we all think alike?
'Cuz that sounds like a nightmare to me.
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: Lula Date: September 29, 2019, 2:46 pm
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People: "You are an idiotic, disgusting, heartless, soulless,
worthless sub-human."
The same people: "Why won't you join OUR side?"
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: sandisadie Date: September 29, 2019, 6:20 pm
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Making fun of people or circumstances as a form of satire on TV,
for instance, is acceptable in our society. Making fun of
people to their face is not. When you express you opinion you
can do so without making fun of others. You have a right to
your opinion and they have a right to theirs. I think whoever
is making the case that it's ok to make fun of people can be
called a bully.
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: katiekat2009 Date: September 29, 2019, 8:33 pm
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Do unto others . . .
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: Jem Date: September 30, 2019, 7:38 am
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[quote author=TaurusGirl link=topic=1352.msg39493#msg39493
date=1569782787]
I also have a former friend who expressed a political view that
I am adamantly opposed to, as this view ostracises and hurts
others - him I did challenge, question, mock, and then cut off
completely.
[/quote]
This is pretty much my question - I understand challenging a
person on their views and engaging in discussion. What I don’t
understand is the mocking. What is the purpose? To me it
reflects poorly on the person doing the mocking, and not on the
person being mocked. When I see or hear this type of behavior I
immediately think less of the argument being made by the mocker.
Why did you decide to mock and cut off your former friend? What
were you hoping to accomplish and did you accomplish it?
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: vintagegal Date: September 30, 2019, 8:06 am
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Another forum I am on has the rule, it is OK to attack the post
but not the poster. "That's a stupid idea" is OK, "You're
stupid" is not.
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Re: Hypocrisy?
By: DaDancingPsych Date: September 30, 2019, 9:17 am
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In my opinion...
"You agree with politician X?!? That makes you a big idiot!"
(Not cool.)
"I do not agree with politician X's stance on tea pot
regulations, because blah blah blah." (Better and appropriate in
certain situations.)
"You have a elephant trunk for a nose." (Again, not cool.)
"Your nose is quite large." (Still not cool.)
There is certainly a time and place when you can challenge
someone's opinion and ones that you should avoid doing so. But
there is certainly an appropriate way of doing this. I think it
is never appropriate to comment on things that people can't
control, even if you try to soften your language. All of these
may still hurt, though.
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