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#Post#: 40437--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Aleko Date: October 15, 2019, 6:26 am
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[quote]On THIS side of the pond, a "dress" shirt is usually
collared, buttoned down suitable with a tie! Business formal, if
you will.[/quote]
But over here a button-down collar would be seen as distinctly
outré as part of 'business formal' wear, and in many of the
starchier workplaces (think stockbroking, the law, etc) a young
man who wore one to work might be quietly advised by his mentor
not to wear one if he wanted to get on in the sector.
Button-downs come and go in fashion for casual wear, but many
British men wouldn't wear one ever. I think my DH wouldn't do so
even at gunpoint.
#Post#: 40449--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Hmmm Date: October 15, 2019, 8:19 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1344.msg40437#msg40437
date=1571138782]
[quote]On THIS side of the pond, a "dress" shirt is usually
collared, buttoned down suitable with a tie! Business formal, if
you will.[/quote]
But over here a button-down collar would be seen as distinctly
outré as part of 'business formal' wear, and in many of the
starchier workplaces (think stockbroking, the law, etc) a young
man who wore one to work might be quietly advised by his mentor
not to wear one if he wanted to get on in the sector.
Button-downs come and go in fashion for casual wear, but many
British men wouldn't wear one ever. I think my DH wouldn't do so
even at gunpoint.
[/quote]
I'm not sure if chigger meant a shirt that is "collard" and has
"buttons down the front" versus what I think you and I are
reading as a shirt with a buttoned down collar.
In the US, buttoned down collared shirts are more casual, but
can be worn to work and even with a tie or sports jacket. But
they are more casual.
In the US, the term "dress shirt" is a category and not a
specific item of clothing seems to be all encompassing of any
men's shirt and button's up and doesn't fall into the category
of casual/sport shirt like an oxford, flannel or chambray. The
major category of Men's "shirt" would include both the dress
shirt category and the casual/sport shirt category. Polo's,
henleys, tshirts, sweaters (or UK jumper) often fall into the
"pull over" sub-category.
#Post#: 40459--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Twik Date: October 15, 2019, 10:03 am
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1344.msg40230#msg40230
date=1570829760]
Truth be told I wore black at my own wedding. That was back in
my biker days. Black leather skirt, Black vest, White camisole
underneath, black heels and a black hat.
[/quote]
I think this is perfectly appropriate for a biker wedding!
You're certainly not sending a subliminal message that you're in
mourning.
#Post#: 40496--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: jpcher Date: October 15, 2019, 5:02 pm
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[quote author=Chez Miriam link=topic=1344.msg40395#msg40395
date=1571067499]
When I read jpcher's post, I imagined the groom intending to
change into one of those shirts that has a couple of rows of
(vertical) ruffles down the front - I thought they were a dress
shirt.
Oops! ;) ;D
[/quote]
LOL!
I'm (we weren't) that fancy . . . by dress shirt I meant
something that would be worn at the office and acceptable wear
for a suit at weddings, funerals, fancy parties, etc.
Sometimes his shirts had buttoned-down collars (does that make
it dressier than other shirts?) sometimes not.
I'm talking about shirts that buttoned down the front whether
it's made of silk or cotton. Not polos or t-shirts.
However, flannel? No not a dress shirt. LOL!
#Post#: 40509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Aleko Date: October 16, 2019, 1:39 am
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[quote]In the US, the term "dress shirt" is a category and not a
specific item of clothing[/quote]
So it is in the UK: but here it's a quite different category. It
covers any shirt designed specifically for evening dress, either
"black tie" (black bow tie and dinner jacket) in which case it
may have ruffles down the front as Chez Miriam says, or "white
tie" (white bow tie, starched white waistcoat and tailcoat), in
which case it is fastened down the front with removable studs -
necessary because the shirt has to be boil-washed and the front
starched rigid, a process which buttons would not survive - and
has a separate starched collar fixed to it with more studs.
#Post#: 40524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Hmmm Date: October 16, 2019, 8:52 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1344.msg40509#msg40509
date=1571207947]
[quote]In the US, the term "dress shirt" is a category and not a
specific item of clothing[/quote]
So it is in the UK: but here it's a quite different category. It
covers any shirt designed specifically for evening dress, either
"black tie" (black bow tie and dinner jacket) in which case it
may have ruffles down the front as Chez Miriam says, or "white
tie" (white bow tie, starched white waistcoat and tailcoat), in
which case it is fastened down the front with removable studs -
necessary because the shirt has to be boil-washed and the front
starched rigid, a process which buttons would not survive - and
has a separate starched collar fixed to it with more studs.
[/quote]
I think we normally refer to that as a tuxedo shirt. Could be
other names, but that is the only one I'm aware of.
#Post#: 40532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: NFPwife Date: October 16, 2019, 11:01 am
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=1344.msg40496#msg40496
date=1571176940]
[quote author=Chez Miriam link=topic=1344.msg40395#msg40395
date=1571067499]
When I read jpcher's post, I imagined the groom intending to
change into one of those shirts that has a couple of rows of
(vertical) ruffles down the front - I thought they were a dress
shirt.
Oops! ;) ;D
[/quote]
LOL!
I'm (we weren't) that fancy . . . by dress shirt I meant
something that would be worn at the office and acceptable wear
for a suit at weddings, funerals, fancy parties, etc.
Sometimes his shirts had buttoned-down collars (does that make
it dressier than other shirts?) sometimes not.
I'm talking about shirts that buttoned down the front whether
it's made of silk or cotton. Not polos or t-shirts.
However, flannel? No not a dress shirt. LOL!
[/quote]
I can't be the only person who really wants a pic, can I?
#Post#: 40544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: TootsNYC Date: October 16, 2019, 1:57 pm
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[quote]Sometimes his shirts had buttoned-down collars (does that
make it dressier than other shirts?) sometimes not.
[/quote]
Less dressy
#Post#: 40620--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: surlyrat Date: October 17, 2019, 9:39 pm
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[quote author=whiterose link=topic=1344.msg39731#msg39731
date=1570057499]
Someone posted in the original Ehell forum back in Delphi that
it was okay to wear black to an evening wedding in NYC, but not
to a daytime wedding in Atlanta.
I know there are a lot of gray areas in between- those are the
two extremes.
But I am very glad nobody wore black to my morning wedding in
the South.
[/quote]
Why would it have made a difference?
#Post#: 40633--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it ever OK to wear black to a wedding?
By: Hmmm Date: October 18, 2019, 8:36 am
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[quote author=surlyrat link=topic=1344.msg40620#msg40620
date=1571366347]
[quote author=whiterose link=topic=1344.msg39731#msg39731
date=1570057499]
Someone posted in the original Ehell forum back in Delphi that
it was okay to wear black to an evening wedding in NYC, but not
to a daytime wedding in Atlanta.
I know there are a lot of gray areas in between- those are the
two extremes.
But I am very glad nobody wore black to my morning wedding in
the South.
[/quote]
Why would it have made a difference?
[/quote]
I don't know when Whiterose married, but I do remember times
when there were very specific "rule" on wearing black, not just
in the south. I read an article in the NY Times a year ago that
talked about the adoption of all black in the city in the late
70's early 80s and it was the avant-garde who really popularized
it and at first some even in NYC were horrified by it.
Adoption wasn't wide spread until probably the late 80's early
90's. I graduated college in the late 1980s and my first job was
in Southern California. One of the first really nice outfits I
bought was a black light weight knit pencil skirt with matching
black top. The outfit looked great on but it took me forever to
convince myself in the dressing room that even though I was only
21, I could pull off an all black work outfit without looking
like I was going to a funeral. In S. Cal, I only ever got
compliments. When I moved back to Texas a year later and would
wear the outfit to work, I'd often get someone asking me if I
was attending a funeral that day. My mom admitted the outfit
looked good but really disliked seeing me since she still held
to the idea that young 20 year olds did not dress in all black
during the day, especially in the Spring.
So yeah, can see where black at a morning wedding in the South
would have been pretty out of place.
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