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       #Post#: 38037--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: lakey
       Date: September 3, 2019, 4:34 pm
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       > Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
       > « Reply #15 on: Today at 04:25:15 pm »
       > QuoteModify
       > There is a difference between what you can do and what you
       should do. OP's husband gave the boy the drum kit out of the
       goodness of his heart. For them to tell him he can have it back
       if he pays for it seems mercenary and ungrateful.
       >
       > They want to make money off a generous gesture.
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       I'm modifying my response after reading Jem's update. Knowing
       that they spent over a hundred dollars improving the drum kit
       feels more like they are getting back the money they invested in
       improving it, rather than profiting from the gift. I hadn't
       realized that the parts they added were so expensive.
       #Post#: 38039--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: Jem
       Date: September 3, 2019, 4:44 pm
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       --- Quote from: lakey link ---
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       > [quote]
       > Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
       > « Reply #15 on: Today at 04:25:15 pm »
       > QuoteModify
       > There is a difference between what you can do and what you
       should do. OP's husband gave the boy the drum kit out of the
       goodness of his heart. For them to tell him he can have it back
       if he pays for it seems mercenary and ungrateful.
       >
       > They want to make money off a generous gesture.
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm modifying my response after reading Jem's update. Knowing
       that they spent over a hundred dollars improving the drum kit
       feels more like they are getting back the money they invested in
       improving it, rather than profiting from the gift. I hadn't
       realized that the parts they added were so expensive.
       [/quote]
       I didn’t realize that either until my husband told me that this
       afternoon. I still think it’s tacky and weird to ask DH to
       essentially buy the stuff he didn’t give to them, but it’s at
       least a little less icky to me.
       Then again I wouldn’t sell most things I have used. Give them
       away? Sure. But sell them? Nope. Just not something I would do
       (I get lots of people would disagree). Here they are essentially
       asking for 85% of the new purchase price for a used cymbal and
       drum kick. It just would not occur to me to do that.
       #Post#: 38040--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: Hanna
       Date: September 3, 2019, 4:53 pm
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       I don’t like when any friend looks at me as a source of revenue.
       I don’t try to sell things to my friends.
       #Post#: 38054--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: NFPwife
       Date: September 3, 2019, 7:54 pm
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       This is so transactional. My friend who I've posted about here
       would do this. And she wouldn't think anything of it. It's not
       about relationship, it's about covering her expenditures. At the
       end of the day, she shouldn't be "out" anything. If your friend
       is like mine, she thinks she's doing you a favor because you're
       getting two pieces that weren't on the kit to begin with and
       you're getting them at a discount. How nice of her! How lucky
       for you! Nevermind that the pieces are used or that they've had
       use of the original kit, at no cost, for years.
       With the type of person, you can bargain a bit. You could say,
       "I have $50. How's that work for you?" and end up spitting the
       difference at $75. Anything that is emotional or relational, is
       unlikely to have any effect, 'I'm feeling used," or "I'm upset
       to have to pay for a gift we originally gave you will likely
       fall on deaf ears. It's about dollars and cents. Hers not yours.
       #Post#: 38056--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: silversurfer
       Date: September 3, 2019, 8:11 pm
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       oooh, I really don't like that.
       There are lots of points that could be made about increasing the
       value and all that, but my opinion is that the gift was given
       out of love and I would (personally) want that to continue.
       So a "Thank you so much for the gift many years ago - it has
       been well loved but we are looking at passing it on - would you
       like it back or is there someone you know who would appreciate
       it?" totally fine.
       "You can buy it back off me" no. no. no. no!
       Its not something any internet stranger is going to lose any
       sleep over, but its not nice.
       #Post#: 38057--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: LurkingGurl
       Date: September 3, 2019, 8:21 pm
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       --- Quote from: NFPwife link ---
       >
       > This is so transactional. My friend who I've posted about here
       would do this. And she wouldn't think anything of it. It's not
       about relationship, it's about covering her expenditures. At the
       end of the day, she shouldn't be "out" anything. If your friend
       is like mine, she thinks she's doing you a favor because you're
       getting two pieces that weren't on the kit to begin with and
       you're getting them at a discount. How nice of her! How lucky
       for you! Nevermind that the pieces are used or that they've had
       use of the original kit, at no cost, for years.
       >
       > With the type of person, you can bargain a bit. You could say,
       "I have $50. How's that work for you?" and end up spitting the
       difference at $75. Anything that is emotional or relational, is
       unlikely to have any effect, 'I'm feeling used," or "I'm upset
       to have to pay for a gift we originally gave you will likely
       fall on deaf ears. It's about dollars and cents. Hers not yours.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think that's what makes this bad.  The mom is telling the OPs
       husband that he is getting something, ie, "first dibs" as if its
       some kind of benefit to him.
       It's a backhanded compliment of sorts.
       I wouldn't negotiate.  I think if you try and negotiate they
       might say "well, we were going to sell it for $250, but for you,
       only $100."
       
       Which would be really great if the OPs DH were solidly in the
       market for what they are selling!
       It's like all these little things piled on top of one another
       that makes it all "ick."
       And many people would feel that there is a karma aspect.  When
       someone graces you with a gift like that--which was given, just
       because, not for a wedding, birthday or graduation--but as
       encouragement--it's just tacky to turn around and think you're
       doing the giver a favor by giving him first dibs to give you
       money to have it back.
       The karma would be to pay it forward--ask the OPs DH if he knows
       of someone who would benefit from having the kit as much or more
       than her son did.
       
       And if her son wanted money for it, well, then let him sell it!
       Heck, even when handling wedding gifts that are duplicates or
       not what you wanted, you would never call the giver and ask them
       if they wanted it back for a price!
       
       #Post#: 38059--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: Rho
       Date: September 3, 2019, 9:41 pm
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       Maybe, just maybe,  the mom is a ditz and doesn't remember where
       the drum set came from?
       #Post#: 38068--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums
       Back.”
   DIR By: DaDancingPsych
       Date: September 4, 2019, 7:54 am
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       I, too, would feel annoyed by this. Yes, it was totally a gift
       and the recipient can do as they please. However, I was raised
       to extend a bit of polite fiction concerning unwanted gifts (or
       once loved and now unwanted gifts.) If you are not going to be
       using the gift as intended, avoid telling the gifter. In other
       words, by the standards of my raising, I would not have informed
       DH that I was no longer using his gift or passing it on. Now if
       he asked, I was taught not to lie, but present a gentle "Oh, I
       am no longer drumming". Etiquette approved? I don't know, but
       that is more likely the guidelines I would have used.
       If they were asking my advice, I would tell them to take one of
       two roads. If they absolutely wanted the money, don't mention
       the sale to DH. Sell the drum set and collect the funds. If DH
       ever asked, politely explain that Sam is no longer drumming. If
       this was less about the money and more about getting rid of
       unwanted things, I *may* have mentioned to DH that we were going
       to sell it. I would not give him first dibs necessarily, but if
       he expressed interest, I would return the drums to him without
       any mention of money. (If he happened to pay, cool.) But I agree
       with others that suggesting that someone can buy a gift back
       just feels tacky.
       With all that said, I would probably let this slide off of me.
       Sure it feels icky, but I imagine the friend was thinking that
       she was doing something kind by giving DH first dibs. I would
       either buy (or not buy) as I wanted and focus on the fact that
       Sam obviously enjoyed the gift for the time that he had it and
       that they did appreciate it.
       #Post#: 38070--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: lowspark
       Date: September 4, 2019, 8:07 am
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       --- Quote from: Hanna link ---
       >
       > I don’t like when any friend looks at me as a source of
       revenue. I don’t try to sell things to my friends.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This.
       I *do* sell used things. I list on ebay mostly but also on
       craigslist & facebook sometimes. But if a friend or relative
       expresses interest (as has happened before), I just let them
       have it. I'm selling to declutter and to make a few $ but a
       friendship is way more important than the $!
       #Post#: 38071--------------------------------------------------
       Re: “Just Pay Me $100 And You Can Have Your Drums Back.”
   DIR By: NFPwife
       Date: September 4, 2019, 8:11 am
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       --- Quote from: silversurfer link ---
       >
       > oooh, I really don't like that.
       >
       > There are lots of points that could be made about increasing
       the value and all that, but my opinion is that the gift was
       given out of love and I would (personally) want that to
       continue.
       >
       > So a "Thank you so much for the gift many years ago - it has
       been well loved but we are looking at passing it on - would you
       like it back or is there someone you know who would appreciate
       it?" totally fine.
       >
       > "You can buy it back off me" no. no. no. no!
       >
       > Its not something any internet stranger is going to lose any
       sleep over, but its not nice.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The bargaining would make me feel better. Personally, I'd have
       said "Forget it, sell it somewhere else," right off because I'd
       be so annoyed to be offered the opportunity to buy back my gift
       that I'd give a knee jerk, emotional reaction and it would show
       in my voice. I'm impressed that Jem was able to say, "Let me
       check" and not default to that.
       If I had a desire to have the kit back, and the $100 wasn't a
       biggie, I'd just feel better if I negotiated the price. As
       everyone has said, it feels "icky" and, again for me, it just
       gets a little of the ick off me. I'd be hoping that it would
       click the friend in to how tacky it is, but, if Jem's friend is
       like mine, it wouldn't. (My friend will say, "This is going to
       sound tacky..." or "Not to sound tacky, but...." and I always
       think, "Well, then just stop. STAHHHP."
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