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How rude was this?
By: NFPwife Date: August 17, 2019, 7:55 pm
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I stayed overnight at an airport based hotel in Melbourne
(Tullamarine) for my morning flight today. The hotel uses a
shuttle that's connected to a park and ride garage. When I got
on the shuttle there was an older couple in the second row of
seats. The rows were two seats on the right (if you're looking
out the windshield) and one seat on the left. (At least for that
row. There might've been a bench further back.
The couple were each sitting on the aisle with the woman's purse
on the seat at the window. They were in the aisle a bit, just
close to each other, not because they were large for the seats.
I looked at the set up, decided I didn't want to navigate past
them and took the seat next to a child safety seat. (After
taking a quick look at the ppl approaching to board and making
sure there weren't any little ones.)
Ppl behind me boarded and the woman didn't move her purse. A
gentleman had to sit up front beside the driver. That was
shocking to me. First because I thought he was trying to drive
and thought we might be getting carjacked. Then, I realized that
was the passenger seat. 😃 The other thing that was
shocking was that, in America, no one rides shotgun in these
situations unless it's absolutely necessary. Most of the time
the driver has the passenger seat littered with their belongings
and it's a big thing to use that seat.
I have the sense (from here and the Qantas safety videos) that
Aussies ride shotgun pretty readily so her leaving her purse
beside her and forcing someone up front might not be quite as
rude as it would be where I live.
I'd love thoughts on this.
#Post#: 36891--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: oogyda Date: August 18, 2019, 4:25 pm
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I take airport shuttles 2-3 times a year. In my experience,
there seems to be someone each time who wants to sit in the
passenger seat even if the shuttle isn't full.
If nobody asked the couple to move themselves or the purse, then
they weren't terribly rude. A little inconsiderate perhaps.
#Post#: 36892--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: NyaChan Date: August 18, 2019, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=oogyda link=topic=1283.msg36891#msg36891
date=1566163515]
I take airport shuttles 2-3 times a year. In my experience,
there seems to be someone each time who wants to sit in the
passenger seat even if the shuttle isn't full.
If nobody asked the couple to move themselves or the purse, then
they weren't terribly rude. A little inconsiderate perhaps.
[/quote]
I agree. I don’t think it was rude, but yes, inconsiderate for
sure. Once the shuttle started filling up, it would have been
nice if she’d moved it.
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Re: How rude was this?
By: Aleko Date: August 19, 2019, 1:24 am
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It was totally news to me that the seat next to the driver is
off limits in the USA. Here in the UK there's no such custom -
in fact there isn't even a special name for that seat. On coach
tours and suchlike that seat tends to be occupied by the tour
guide or driver's mate, so of course nobody sits in it; but if
there's no question of there being a second 'crew member', it's
an available seat like any other.
But IMO the couple were certainly rude. Unless a bus or train is
half empty and looks likely to remain so, it is always rude and
selfish to take an aisle seat and put your belongings on the
window seat, unless you (generic you) at the very least make eye
contact with people getting in after you and indicate
willingness to move yourself or your bags to allow them to sit
down. If you block a seat in that way and don't make eye
contact, you are clearly hoping that nobody will have the nerve
to tap you on the shoulder and ask "excuse me, is anyone sitting
in that seat?" so that you can have an extra seat all to
yourself. Which - unless you paid for a second ticket - is
something you are not entitled to (and is selfish even if you
did).
#Post#: 36918--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: Raintree Date: August 19, 2019, 1:39 am
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That behaviour drives me nuts. At least have the self-awareness
to move your bags from the empty seat as the bus starts to fill
up. I see this on public transit buses all the time and have
taken to asking, "Excuse me, can I sit there please?"
#Post#: 36921--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: Aleko Date: August 19, 2019, 2:45 am
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[quote]I see this on public transit buses all the time and have
taken to asking, "Excuse me, can I sit there please?"[/quote]
I do too, on principle. But lots of people are too shy to do it,
and you see them hanging grimly on to the grab bars all the way
with their faces jammed into each others' armpits, while the
seat-blockers take their ease, resolutely not looking at the
people they are inconveniencing.
#Post#: 36931--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: oogyda Date: August 19, 2019, 6:20 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1283.msg36914#msg36914
date=1566195893]
It was totally news to me that the seat next to the driver is
off limits in the USA.
[/quote]
It's not.
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Re: How rude was this?
By: Jem Date: August 19, 2019, 8:49 am
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[quote author=Raintree link=topic=1283.msg36918#msg36918
date=1566196796]
That behaviour drives me nuts. At least have the self-awareness
to move your bags from the empty seat as the bus starts to fill
up. I see this on public transit buses all the time and have
taken to asking, "Excuse me, can I sit there please?"
[/quote]
This is what I do, although I phrase it as a statement rather
than a question: "Please move your bag - I am sitting in this
seat."
#Post#: 36952--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: lowspark Date: August 19, 2019, 10:17 am
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[quote author=oogyda link=topic=1283.msg36931#msg36931
date=1566213653]
[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1283.msg36914#msg36914
date=1566195893]
It was totally news to me that the seat next to the driver is
off limits in the USA.
[/quote]
It's not.
[/quote]
Agree. It's not off limits. It's rather more unusual for people
to sit there but certainly there's no rule against it.
#Post#: 36954--------------------------------------------------
Re: How rude was this?
By: Thitpualso Date: August 19, 2019, 10:52 am
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Riding in the front passenger seat of a NYC taxi is off limits
unless the passenger is a family member of the driver. That’s a
measure for the driver’s protection.
However, rules on hotel shuttles are a lot looser. People often
‘Ride shotgun’. Still, on all forms of public transportation,
the rule is that passengers should not take up more room than
they absolutely require. It was very thoughtless of the lady to
leave her purse on an unoccupied seat unless the seat was still
vacant when the shuttle was underway.
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