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       Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Girlie Date: July 11, 2019, 7:39 am
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       Background: I have three siblings - two older sisters (T and B),
       and a younger brother (P).  My relationship with all three is
       somewhat dysfunctional, with the healthiest of the three being
       between T and myself. We hardly ever see each other, and there
       is more than a decade's age difference, so we have never been
       close.
       This is about B. B is older, and we couldn't be more different
       than if we grew up on different continents. We come from a
       single-parent household, but whereas I craved stability, with a
       3-bedroom home, a white picket fence, and 2.5 kids when I grew
       up, she wanted a life where she answered to no one but herself.
       She now lives all the way across the country, and I haven't seen
       her in years. When I did last see her, it was only because my
       mother fostered it, and B put it off...and off...and off. She
       was several hours later than she was supposed to be, but I was,
       at the time, on my mother's schedule, not my own.
       At any rate, the distance has only grown between B and all of
       us. A couple of years ago, I texted her a Christmas greeting. At
       that point, I only spoke to her on the phone a few times a year,
       and we texted for birthdays and holidays. When she never
       responded at all, I texted her several days later asking if she
       was okay, and letting her know that I had hoped to hear from
       her. Her response was that she's very BUSY, you know - she
       works, she's on, like, three dart teams ( ???), and she doesn't
       always have time to respond to text messages. I have never since
       texted her a holiday or birthday greeting since, as I understand
       it, she finds them to be too time-consuming.
       Also, I have two children. When I was pregnant with the last
       one, I called her (probably the first time I'd called her in
       almost a year), and she answered, and all seemed well. I told
       her I was pregnant, and I would call her back when I knew more
       if she wanted me to. She said yes, of course. I tried. I
       honestly did. I'm guessing my mom told her that the baby was a
       girl, because she never again picked up the phone for me. It's
       now been over a year since I spoke to B.
       NOW. Apparently, B has flown in for about a month to visit. She
       told mom that she wants to come because "she has two nieces
       she's never even met." B has not contacted me. Mom has suggested
       that SHE take the girls to meet B. I thought about it, and told
       mom that I felt that was inappropriate. As far as I know, B and
       I have our differences in lifestyles, but I hold no grudges
       against anything other than her lack of desire to make and keep
       plans (she usually refuses to make them at all, and almost
       always cancels when she does. She has NO problem expecting other
       people to drop everything at HER whim, however. I don't play by
       those rules.). If B wants so badly to meet my children (ages 2
       and a half and 9 mos.), then I think it's odd that my own mother
       has tried to disinvite me from the occasion.
       So, I guess what I'm looking for is to make sure that I'm clear
       in terms of etiquette. I know it can get a little muddy when you
       start talking family, but I think my mom was kind of rude to say
       that she wanted to take my children to meet B. I asked mom
       straight out if there was a reason B wouldn't want to see me,
       and she said that there was no reason she could think of. At
       this age, I feel like my children are an extension of me. So,
       I've laid ground rules - all B has to do is pick a time and a
       place, and we all - my whole family - will be glad to meet her
       there with smiles. But I'm not letting my kids be "taken"
       anywhere. That's just weird.
       Also, because I know someone may ask - No, I don't think B is
       upset with me in particular. She treats everyone like this. T
       and her daughter once made a trip all the way across the
       country, and hoped to be able to spend a couple of hours with B.
       B put it off (just like she did with me), and a few hours turned
       into roughly 30 minutes. A nice dinner out became fast-food
       somewhere, and no apology for being late (B was, apparently, at
       home, and again - mysteriously "busy"). She hardly ever talks to
       mom (and I doubt there's anyone in the world she loves more).
       She has no relationship with P, and, as far as I can tell - also
       no relationship with her dad or his other children. That's just
       B.
       #Post#: 34302--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: DaDancingPsych Date: July 11, 2019, 7:52 am
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       Etiquette wise, I don't think it would have been rude of your
       mother to ASK if she could have your daughters to meet B. This,
       of course, assuming that you allow your mom to be alone with
       your daughters. I think that it is also ok if you don't want
       your daughters to meet B without you (even if your mom typically
       does take your daughters for outings and such.) You are the
       parent and you get to decide who your daughters socialize with
       and the terms of those meetings. I don't see any issues here.
       But you're right, family does muddy the etiquette waters. Your
       mom may feel miffed at your denial, so it is wise to think
       through any fall-out and make decisions based on that, too. You
       are also right to feel miffed that B and/or your mom did not
       think to invite you to this visit, too. If they were asking, I
       would tell them to weigh the potential fall-out from your end
       (it's possible they did not even think that you may be hurt) and
       being that there seems to be no issues with your relationships,
       I would suggest that they do include you. But despite all this,
       I would suggest that you focus on your daughters. What is best
       for them? You seem to want to be with them if/when they meet B,
       so I think that that is a perfectly fine decision.
       #Post#: 34306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Copper Horsewoman Date: July 11, 2019, 8:29 am
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       I don't understand why B has this sudden desire to meet nieces,
       and if she does, why now after long time radio silence? Her
       desire does not trump your authority as a mother. Let B talk to
       you directly, adult to adult, and set up the meeting assuming
       you are amenable to it. Otherwise, you may be hearing from your
       mother about something SHE wishes would happen, not something
       desired by B. I am sorry you seem to have a family like mine,
       where other people are sometimes used as a telegraph because
       direct communication is somehow out of the question. I finally
       (I'm in my sixties) have a firm rule - I hear from YOU, person
       to person, on invites, or it is hearsay and not to be acted
       upon. I would wait to be contacted by B, or reach out in a
       general way like a "Hi! How's it going?" email.
       #Post#: 34307--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: gramma dishes Date: July 11, 2019, 8:43 am
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       No.   Your children are YOUR children.  If your sister wants to
       meet them, or even just see them, you need to be present.  I'm
       surprised your mother thinks it would be perfectly satisfactory
       to take your kids to visit with a relative who refuses to see
       you.  It is not okay.  And your mother's suggestion is really
       quite out of line.
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       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Rose Red Date: July 11, 2019, 9:27 am
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       What the?! You're in the clear.
       I actually don't blame B. She probably mentioned she wanted to
       meet the children to your mom as a casual comment. It's your mom
       who ran with it by wanting to take your children without you
       even though she claims B doesn't have a problem with you. What
       is mom thinking?
       I would just move on unless you hear anything straight from B.
       She may be just as confused and appalled by your mom's actions
       as you are.
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       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Isisnin Date: July 11, 2019, 9:59 am
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       Everyone is in the clear etiquette-wise. Even arguably B. SHe is
       etiquette-lacking when it comes to meeting up with people, but
       she's got a month to make arrangements.
       What about you texting her something like: "I hear you're in
       town for a month. Would love to catch up and you can met the
       girls. Pls let me know if you can and we can choose a time and
       place."?
       In this way, you've extended yourself to her. If you don't
       contact, she might claim in the future that since you didn't
       contact her so clearly you were in the wrong and/or didn't want
       to see her. (can you tell I have difficult sibling
       relationships?!)
       No downside to you contacting her.
       #Post#: 34315--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: lakey Date: July 11, 2019, 11:05 am
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       I think that your suggestion was fine. Given the fact that you
       haven't seen your sister in a long time, and your children are
       so young, your mother's suggestion that she take your children
       to see your sibling, without you, is strange.
       I'd go with what you already said. Whatever B has chosen as her
       lifestyle, she doesn't get to expect everyone else to do things
       at her convenience. If she can't put herself out for other
       people, she can't expect them to put themselves out for her.
       Your idea of setting up a get-together with all concerned seems
       like a better idea than your mother's idea.
       #Post#: 34319--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: TootsNYC Date: July 11, 2019, 11:55 am
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       [quote]and she doesn't always have time to respond to text
       messages. [/quote]
       OK, this pushed SUCH a button for me that I stopped reading to
       post this.
       Has she never heard of emojis?
       And...came back to say, you are definitely in the clear.
       My big brother is a little like this. For a very long time, the
       ONLY way he and I ever communicated was if I went to visit my
       Mom, and she arranged for us to see one another. For a while I
       tried, but I would be met with, "oh, we'll see what the weekend
       olds when you get here."
       Then he came to NYC once for three days and sat around in his
       hotel room doing nothing--but didn't call me. Sat at the airport
       for half a way waiting for his flight--but didn't call me.
       I got the message. That was when I just stopped ever trying to
       contact him and left it up to Mom. I didn't even mention him to
       Mom anymore, because I realized he treated her a little like
       that, and it must hurt to be put in the position of defending
       him to me.
       I used to say, "When my parents pass away, I will have no reason
       to ever contact him again. He and I will become those siblings
       that say, 'I have brother that lives in that state; we haven't
       been in touch for 20 years.' "
       I don't know if that still will be true, but it might.
       I think you are in the clear.
       If your mom wants to arrange a get-together that includes your
       family, she can do that. But no taking your kids without you.
       (I bet your mom is trying to capitalize on even the tiniest
       interest demonstrated by your sister, because I bet she is
       heartbroken that her daughter can't be bothered with her.)
       #Post#: 34323--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Chez Miriam Date: July 11, 2019, 12:24 pm
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       Girlie, you're totally in the clear on this!
       I realise that I send out hugs at the drop of a hat, but as a
       fellow not-quite-fully-hinged family 'survivor', I know I
       invariably end up feeling guilty when I stand up for myself, so
       here are some gratuitous {{hugs}} in case you need them.
       I'm in a spot at the moment where my crazy cousin wants to be
       friends, but I'm remembering all the criticisms, and the years
       when I tried [every six months or so] to keep our relationship
       [which used to be good] going with a phone call only to be told
       in the snottiest tone possible "I'm BUSY!".
       Well, ya know, now I'm busy!
       It may be "busy doing nothing", but it's busy nonetheless, and
       I've had to put my mum on an 'information diet', and I even got
       the first proper apology* from her that I can ever remember
       after she's been on Low Contact for taking my cousin's side over
       her daughter's.
       * I once got an "I'm sorry if you were offended" or similar
       non-apology.
       It's taken me a few days, but now I'm just happy that I'm no
       longer asking "how high?" when family want me to jump; that
       feels marvellous.
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       Re: Can I Get an "All-Clear?"
       By: Hanna Date: July 11, 2019, 12:41 pm
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       You are totally in the clear! No way would any children of mine
       be taken to see anyone without me in a situation like this.
       There’s no reason you know about that she’s averse to seeing you
       other than lack of interest apparently. So I’m wondering why in
       the world she wants to meet your children!
       I feel for your Mother, but given that your sister doesn’t have
       much a relationship with anyone in the family, pictures should
       satisfy her just fine.
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