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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: Luci Date: June 15, 2019, 12:06 pm
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I hope this is true. When we were early responders, we were
housed in local churches and I was responsible for getting the
food and making sure it was prepared and cleaned up. I’ve seen
all manner of church kitchens. One I had to clean the fridge and
finish cleaning up from the previous event. (And of course the
best was spotless and had food freshly donated ready for us!)
#Post#: 32938--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: katiekat2009 Date: June 15, 2019, 6:34 pm
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I can think of a couple of things:
1. Could you volunteer to handle the food (with her supplying
the funds).
2. Have person who clean the church make cleaning out the fridge
part of their job, as well.
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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: TootsNYC Date: June 15, 2019, 11:19 pm
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I would say to Tammy directly, "I've noticed a really good
response when I've brought nice foods to the event. I've come to
believe that hospitality is truly important, even when we're
offering it to one another. And of course, we do get some people
who are new to us, and we want them to think this is a great
place to come.
"Could we change how the food is done? I think serving
leftovers, and labeling them that way, may make people feel like
an afterthought, as though they aren't valued members of the
community."
I used to do the food for a youth gathering that moved from
church to church in our circuit, and the first event had NO
food. Not even chips. The second gathering had one bag of chips
and a little bit of soda.
And yet the women's ministries event had quiche and fruit and
cinnamon rolls and sausage and muffins....
I decided that it was important to send the message to those
young people that we were excited they were here. That they were
valued.
So by gum, we had sandwiches and chips and freshly baked cookies
and veggies and fruit and three flavors of drinks....
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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: TootsNYC Date: June 15, 2019, 11:22 pm
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[quote author=Hanna link=topic=1189.msg32919#msg32919
date=1560577075]
Aren’t church kitchens held to the health codes in most states?
I’d make it about that. “The health dept doesn’t allow us to
serve leftover food.” Or some better worded version of that.
I’d also start just throwing out any leftovers at every
opportunity.
[/quote]
I don't think so.
I know our kitchen isn't really inspected or anything. When we
redid it a few years ago, we did try to follow food-service
rules like clean-up on one side, prep on the other; and we had a
dishwashing unit (it has since broken).
#Post#: 32948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: TootsNYC Date: June 15, 2019, 11:26 pm
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also:
Focus on what you want to move TOWARD, not what you want to move
away from.
So: "Let's clean off the tops of the salad-dressing bottles so
they look appetizing," and not "The crusty tops of the bottles
is disgusting--we shouldn't be doing that."
"Let's make sure the produce is fresh and not wilting, so it's
really appealing.
and not "This slimy produce is really off-putting."
Good luck!
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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: Hanna Date: June 17, 2019, 4:42 am
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[quote author=Luci link=topic=1189.msg32936#msg32936
date=1560618417]
I hope this is true. When we were early responders, we were
housed in local churches and I was responsible for getting the
food and making sure it was prepared and cleaned up. I’ve seen
all manner of church kitchens. One I had to clean the fridge and
finish cleaning up from the previous event. (And of course the
best was spotless and had food freshly donated ready for us!)
[/quote]
I mentioned this because I knew of a church in PA that served
the homeless and when their equipment didn’t pass inspection
they just stopped serving meals.
HTML https://churchexecutive.com/archives/is-a-commercial-kitchen-right-for-your-church
So it looks like in some states inspections are required
depending upon a few factors.
I would still make the case that we need to be following safe
food handling rules because it would be terrible if people got
ill and because it’s just plain unsavory to serve people old
gross food.
I’d also push to get anyone working with food regularly, and
particularly the people that manage the kitchen to attend a
health department food handling class and get whatever applies
locally for food service industry workers.
This is the kind of issue that would run me out of an
organization. One bad apple can really spoil the bunch in this
case. This woman should not be allowed near the kitchen.
#Post#: 32990--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: lowspark Date: June 17, 2019, 9:51 am
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How big of a budget are we talking about? Would you have to do
food prep yourselves or could you just pick up/have delivered
something premade like a sandwich tray, pizza, chic-fil-a, etc.
which would be a whole lot easier but probably more costly?
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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: wolfie Date: June 17, 2019, 10:00 am
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What is the goal of this event? Is it to do bible study for
people already in the church? Or is it to draw people into the
church? If I went to an event and all that was served was
leftovers from other events I would not bother coming back. I
would conclude that outreach to my subgroup was just lipservice
and they didn't really care if I came or not.
#Post#: 33017--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: HenrysMom Date: June 17, 2019, 7:29 pm
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In your shoes, OP, I would simply discard anything that looks
“off,” and if she reacts, say “You really don’t want to serve
(moldy bread, brown lettuce). So I’m helping you by tossing
it.”
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Re: Wednesday night church dinner concerns
By: Sycorax Date: June 17, 2019, 8:47 pm
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This situation is icking me out!
There should be some kind of rule about how long leftovers
should be kept, based on the FDA's guidelines about that sort of
thing. You guys should be dating everything in the fridge (you
could just use masking tape and sharpie) and tossing any of the
leftovers that have been there more than a couple of days. Do
you know why the leftovers are being kept in the first place -
are there other groups that might want them afterwards? Or are
they just stored in the refrigerator so to not waste them? If
no one wants them, maybe they should just go in the trash right
after the event. I think at our church, stuff just gets tossed
if people aren't taking it home immediately.
Is there someone who's "in charge" of the kitchen? Or is that
Tammy?
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