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       #Post#: 30765--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: wolfie Date: May 9, 2019, 12:54 pm
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       [quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1119.msg30683#msg30683
       date=1557345217]
       I guess I could kinda see something like this if, say, the
       ceremony were in a hospital room or a City Hall office that only
       allows, like, 4 people at a time or something.  But for no other
       reason than lack of blood relationship to the HC?  Honestly,
       that's so strange that it almost goes beyond offensive to the
       "too Just Plain Nuts to be personally offensive" zone.
       Especially if the LW isn't the only one affected.  Still not
       okay, but not something I would boycott a sibling's wedding over
       if I were the husband.  In his place, I'd try hard to talk the
       HC out of it, and if that doesn't work, then probably not bring
       the kids to the ceremony, either.  And buy my wife a nice
       present.
       I guess something similar must happen at weddings in faiths that
       don't allow non-adherents to attend the rituals.  Also not
       something to take personally, I suppose.  Would you boycott in
       that situation, where you and your kids are adherents but your
       spouse isn't?  Maybe some people would.
       [/quote]
       It's a different situation. in one the person who is getting
       married says I don't want these people to witness my wedding
       because they are not family. In the other the place itself says
       "only people who are of X faith can enter" I assume with anyone
       who is that religious that they get married in places like that
       (because there aren't many of them) family isn't surprised that
       they are getting married in that place and are expecting it.
       #Post#: 30792--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: lisastitch Date: May 9, 2019, 5:26 pm
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       [quote author=wolfie link=topic=1119.msg30765#msg30765
       date=1557424497]
       [quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1119.msg30683#msg30683
       date=1557345217]
       I guess I could kinda see something like this if, say, the
       ceremony were in a hospital room or a City Hall office that only
       allows, like, 4 people at a time or something.  But for no other
       reason than lack of blood relationship to the HC?  Honestly,
       that's so strange that it almost goes beyond offensive to the
       "too Just Plain Nuts to be personally offensive" zone.
       Especially if the LW isn't the only one affected.  Still not
       okay, but not something I would boycott a sibling's wedding over
       if I were the husband.  In his place, I'd try hard to talk the
       HC out of it, and if that doesn't work, then probably not bring
       the kids to the ceremony, either.  And buy my wife a nice
       present.
       I guess something similar must happen at weddings in faiths that
       don't allow non-adherents to attend the rituals.  Also not
       something to take personally, I suppose.  Would you boycott in
       that situation, where you and your kids are adherents but your
       spouse isn't?  Maybe some people would.
       [/quote]
       It's a different situation. in one the person who is getting
       married says I don't want these people to witness my wedding
       because they are not family. In the other the place itself says
       "only people who are of X faith can enter" I assume with anyone
       who is that religious that they get married in places like that
       (because there aren't many of them) family isn't surprised that
       they are getting married in that place and are expecting it.
       [/quote]
       And if you are married to someone of that faith while not of
       that faith yourself, you know that you will not be able to
       attend the ceremony because you know how the faith works.
       #Post#: 30796--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: Rose Red Date: May 9, 2019, 7:00 pm
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       [quote author=lisastitch link=topic=1119.msg30792#msg30792
       date=1557440778]
       [quote author=wolfie link=topic=1119.msg30765#msg30765
       date=1557424497]
       [quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1119.msg30683#msg30683
       date=1557345217]
       I guess I could kinda see something like this if, say, the
       ceremony were in a hospital room or a City Hall office that only
       allows, like, 4 people at a time or something.  But for no other
       reason than lack of blood relationship to the HC?  Honestly,
       that's so strange that it almost goes beyond offensive to the
       "too Just Plain Nuts to be personally offensive" zone.
       Especially if the LW isn't the only one affected.  Still not
       okay, but not something I would boycott a sibling's wedding over
       if I were the husband.  In his place, I'd try hard to talk the
       HC out of it, and if that doesn't work, then probably not bring
       the kids to the ceremony, either.  And buy my wife a nice
       present.
       I guess something similar must happen at weddings in faiths that
       don't allow non-adherents to attend the rituals.  Also not
       something to take personally, I suppose.  Would you boycott in
       that situation, where you and your kids are adherents but your
       spouse isn't?  Maybe some people would.
       [/quote]
       It's a different situation. in one the person who is getting
       married says I don't want these people to witness my wedding
       because they are not family. In the other the place itself says
       "only people who are of X faith can enter" I assume with anyone
       who is that religious that they get married in places like that
       (because there aren't many of them) family isn't surprised that
       they are getting married in that place and are expecting it.
       [/quote]
       And if you are married to someone of that faith while not of
       that faith yourself, you know that you will not be able to
       attend the ceremony because you know how the faith works.
       [/quote]
       Yup.. Medical and religious reasons are completely different
       than what is described in the OP.
       #Post#: 30810--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: Aleko Date: May 10, 2019, 2:08 am
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       Agree. A person's religion is a given. If you want them in your
       life as a spouse / friend / relative, you have to agree to
       accept it as part of the package, even if you don't care for its
       tenets and the way it may exclude you. Certainly you have no
       right to take offence.
       #Post#: 30834--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: Gellchom Date: May 10, 2019, 11:55 am
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       Oh, yeah, I wasn't saying that I think the situations are
       comparable.  That (and the hospital room type situation) were
       the only other situations in which I could envision spouses not
       being invited, and those are both usually just fine.  This is
       just weird.  I wonder if there is something we aren't told.
       #Post#: 30982--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: Twik Date: May 13, 2019, 3:21 pm
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       The biggest problem is that the message sent is "MY wedding is
       important to celebrate. But YOUR marriage is so trivial I don't
       consider your spouse really 'family.'"
       If I were nasty, I might write back that I didn't see the need
       to travel to see her go through some sort of ceremony with
       someone who wasn't part of our family.
       #Post#: 30986--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spouse not invited to siblings wedding
       By: Chez Miriam Date: May 13, 2019, 3:34 pm
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       [quote author=Twik link=topic=1119.msg30982#msg30982
       date=1557778869]
       The biggest problem is that the message sent is "MY wedding is
       important to celebrate. But YOUR marriage is so trivial I don't
       consider your spouse really 'family.'"
       If I were nasty, I might write back that I didn't see the need
       to travel to see her go through some sort of ceremony with
       someone who wasn't part of our family.
       [/quote]
       I think that's the sort of letter that should be written, but
       never sent.  If [general] you know that a letter is only
       destined for burning, you can make it as preposterous as you
       like, and it may serve to diffuse the very real and justified
       feelings of hurt, at this ridiculous and toxic diktat.
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