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       #Post#: 28047--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Rose Red
       Date: March 22, 2019, 5:56 am
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       Have you asked MIL how she feels? You said she was surprised but
       that could just mean it's because it's not the usual way of
       celebrating on a Sunday.
       Have you and your husband (and stepson's mother) talked to
       stepson about your concerns?
       There's a lot of assumptions and games of "telephone" here
       without a lot of direct communication. If you don't feel it's
       your place to speak up, then let whatever happens happen.
       #Post#: 28048--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: March 22, 2019, 6:02 am
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       --- Quote ---
       > It's not his fault he happened to be born close to his
       grandfather's birthday.
       --- End Quote ---
       No: but that is what did happen, and he's not a little child (in
       which case I'm sure all the family would rally round to give him
       a nice birthday and shelve their grief as best they could) but
       an adult who is obligated to deal with this delicate emotional
       situation as gracefully and kindly as possible.
       These things happen. My mother died about ten years ago, and
       after the funeral my father said to me and my brothers, 'I think
       we maybe should have an annual get-together on the anniversary
       of her death, just the four of us' (which obviously doesn't
       happen that often - usually when we get together it's with
       everyone's spouses and children and dogs), and I had to say,
       'Dad, not wishing to be egotistical or anything, but you
       understandably didn't notice that the day Mum died was actually
       my birthday. Could we possibly get together on some other
       significant date? Her birthday, for example?' And we agreed to
       do that.
       #Post#: 28050--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: SioCat
       Date: March 22, 2019, 7:44 am
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       Yeah, I still don’t think he’s wrong. It’s his birthday and if
       the same thing has been done for the last 22 years, he likely
       didn’t realize it would change.
       I’m my family it’s normal for the birthday person to pick what
       dinner/restaurant they want. I don’t think it says anything
       about their maturity.
       #Post#: 28063--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: March 22, 2019, 9:09 am
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       > Yeah, I still don’t think he’s wrong. It’s his birthday and if
       the same thing has been done for the last 22 years, he likely
       didn’t realize it would change.
       --- End Quote ---
       But that's not what is happening here: just the opposite.
       OP says that deceased FIL's birthday is Friday: stepson's
       birthday is Saturday: the traditional family practice was to
       celebrate everyone's birthdays on the next Sunday following,
       this being the convenient day as everyone can help MIL with
       preparations. So, if he just did "the same thing as has been
       done for the last 22 years", he would have his birthday party on
       Sunday, which would leave everyone free on Friday to observe
       FIL's birthday, together or independently, as feels appropriate
       to them.
       Instead, he is saying he wants his celebration on Friday. There
       is no clear reason for him to do this, as it isn't his actual
       birthday. And two reasons why he should not: (1) the incongruity
       (to put it mildly) of trying to celebrate a birthday and
       commemorate a death in a single event, and (2) the fact that
       holding a party on a Friday is inconvenient for many people.
       #Post#: 28069--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: oogyda
       Date: March 22, 2019, 9:45 am
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       --- Quote from: Aleko link ---
       >
       > [quote]Yeah, I still don’t think he’s wrong. It’s his birthday
       and if the same thing has been done for the last 22 years, he
       likely didn’t realize it would change.
       --- End Quote ---
       But that's not what is happening here: just the opposite.
       OP says that deceased FIL's birthday is Friday: stepson's
       birthday is Saturday: the traditional family practice was to
       celebrate everyone's birthdays on the next Sunday following,
       this being the convenient day as everyone can help MIL with
       preparations. So, if he just did "the same thing as has been
       done for the last 22 years", he would have his birthday party on
       Sunday, which would leave everyone free on Friday to observe
       FIL's birthday, together or independently, as feels appropriate
       to them.
       Instead, he is saying he wants his celebration on Friday. There
       is no clear reason for him to do this, as it isn't his actual
       birthday. And two reasons why he should not: (1) the incongruity
       (to put it mildly) of trying to celebrate a birthday and
       commemorate a death in a single event, and (2) the fact that
       holding a party on a Friday is inconvenient for many people.
       [/quote]
       I think it's more than just inconvenient.  I think it's selfish
       and inconsiderate to the one person who ends up with the
       majority of the workload...Grandma.  Furthermore, it sounds like
       Grandma is hinting that she would like to cut back on things a
       bit.  Frequently, a "big" event (FIL's death) is enough of a
       disturbance to do exactly that.
       Although Grandma could/should be the one to make her needs
       known, the OP might be able to assist in that.
       #Post#: 28070--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Bada
       Date: March 22, 2019, 9:53 am
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       Lady R: I just wanted to weigh in briefly to say that, the more
       information you share, the more I understand the "yuck factor"
       and empathize with it.
       Your 22 year old, adult, step son, has not fully grown into
       adulthood. He lives with a parent still and, despite living in
       an area with no (limited?) public transportation, he has no
       drivers' license (this last part would be totally to me if he
       lived somewhere with excellent public transit; and yes, a lot of
       young adults return home for financial reasons, I know).  For
       his birthday, he actually *wants* to celebrate with his extended
       family which, while unusual IMHO, is probably good for
       family-relations normally.  However, he is pushing onto his
       grandmother the stress and effort of hosting. He isn't taking
       into consideration her time or schedule or inclination and has
       "asked" to move the party to a Friday. Even a normal Friday
       would be super tricky for both her and the other 20 people he's
       "inviting" (in parenthesis because it seems like these
       invitations are generally always accepted by everyone). But this
       is the first anniversary of the death of MIL's spouse--and MIL
       has been observing a formal period of grieving for the last
       year.  While a 22 year old may not be astute enough to realize
       that your MIL is a people-pleaser who rarely/never says no, your
       husband ought to have caught on by now. And yet he's pushing the
       Friday party along.
       So I think it's very reasonable for you to be squeamish about
       this whole situation and to wish that something could be done to
       help your MIL who may be too uncomfortable to stop something she
       very much opposes.  As others have said, maybe as a newly added
       member of the family there's not much you *can* do, but I wanted
       to affirm your feelings here and say you're not alone in your
       opinions.  Maybe just talking to MIL and affirming that you
       would understand if she said "No" and would support her would
       help her to find her voice?
       #Post#: 28084--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: March 22, 2019, 2:00 pm
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       > I think it's more than just inconvenient.
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       My point was, that even leaving aside all the emotional baggage
       of this particular Friday, OP says it is an understood thing
       that Fridays in general are an inconvenient day for family
       parties, which is why they have them on sundays.
       --- Quote ---
       > I think it's selfish and inconsiderate to the one person who
       ends up with the majority of the workload...Grandma.
       Furthermore, it sounds like Grandma is hinting that she would
       like to cut back on things a bit.  Frequently, a "big" event
       (FIL's death) is enough of a disturbance to do exactly that.
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes, she hinted (only hinted) that to OP and DH; but has she
       done so to stepson, and did she make it clear enough that he
       picked up on it? OP has stated that up till now she has been
       very insistent that family parties should be at her house and is
       resistant to others helping; and if that has always been a fact
       of life for him, he may easily fail to grasp hints - many young
       men aren't very good at that. Especially as she is
       first-generation European - they don't actually belong to the
       same culture, so they may have very different ways of
       communicating.
       #Post#: 28087--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Sycorax
       Date: March 22, 2019, 2:41 pm
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       I think this would be a good time for someone to use their
       words, instead of just complaining about it behind stepson's
       back.  Can someone not just say to him that having the
       celebration on Sunday would be more convenient for everyone?
       #Post#: 28089--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: Jem
       Date: March 22, 2019, 2:59 pm
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       --- Quote from: Pandorica link ---
       >
       > I think this would be a good time for someone to use their
       words, instead of just complaining about it behind stepson's
       back.  Can someone not just say to him that having the
       celebration on Sunday would be more convenient for everyone?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       YES!!!!!! Different people are going to have different
       viewpoints, and all of the guessing or assuming as to how the
       various affected people might feel (or how we think they SHOULD
       feel) really does not matter here. Personally, I think the MIL
       should use her words IF this is an issue for her (whether it is
       because she doesn't want to host at all, doesn't want to host on
       Friday, or doesn't want to celebrate her grandson's birthday
       because she would rather actively grieve her deceased husband's
       birthday). Otherwise, the stepson/grandson is going to assume
       that his requests are being happily complied with.
       I don't think it is universal to set aside a deceased person's
       birthday as off limits for anything other than actively
       grieving. At some point, there would be no days left for any
       celebrations at all!
       #Post#: 28097--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Celebrating your special day on someone else’s special day
   DIR By: bopper
       Date: March 22, 2019, 4:35 pm
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       I agree that stepson has done the same thing every year...why is
       he stuck with the old routine that doesn't necessarily work for
       him?
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