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Simple really
DIR By: Rachel123
Date: September 25, 2022, 1:52 pm
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My opinion on the ECHR is simple really. The majority of the
public do not have confidence that it has a positive effect on
British society.
So I am in favour of the government leaving the ECHR.
Or as an alternative, the government could simply ignore it when
it chooses, as many other states do.
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: HemsTory
Date: September 26, 2022, 6:36 am
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The simple fact is, we should recognise it, we should alter it
and make a new British convention of human rights and allow
other countries to sign upto it if they want.
We should also pull out of refugee conventions and create a
parallel system to the global order that suits Britain and the
greater British public.
With brexit the people voted for sovereignty we need to return
supremacy of our laws and courts to the public, that suit the
British public.
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: HammondComp
Date: September 26, 2022, 7:55 am
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Another problem with the ECHR or even our own bill of rights is
that the Lawyers will use it against us, Look at the dodgy
excuses they are using to keep convicted criminals in the
country. Also we need to get deporting those that can be,
I believe that this should be taken away from the home office
and that we need an Immigration/Illegal immigration dept.
Whoes sole aim is to remove illegals and deport criminals.
All the time it rests with the home office nothing will change.
#Post#: 93--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simple really
DIR By: HemsTory
Date: September 26, 2022, 8:11 am
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--- Quote from: Ian Hammond link ---
>
> Another problem with the ECHR or even our own bill of rights
is that the Lawyers will use it against us, Look at the dodgy
excuses they are using to keep convicted criminals in the
country. Also we need to get deporting those that can be,
> I believe that this should be taken away from the home office
and that we need an Immigration/Illegal immigration dept.
> Whoes sole aim is to remove illegals and deport criminals.
>
> All the time it rests with the home office nothing will
change.
>
--- End Quote ---
Maybe make it best practice when a criminal is a dual national
with British citizenship or residency that it gets removed and
they're deported to that country they're a dual national or
national of with a permenent ban list. People would try what
about parents ... Personally I'd say still deport them and offer
to pay £20,000 to the family to move to the country the parent
is in while giving up their British residency if possible.
The soft touch our country is percieved to have needs to be
shattered harshly lest we continue to be taken advantage of
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: DavidBlakeman13
Date: September 26, 2022, 8:37 am
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What happened to actions have consequences.
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: HammondComp
Date: September 26, 2022, 8:46 am
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What about the aussie system ? that worked, they were vilified
in the press etc but it did work !
One huge thing we should do is to remove all the benefits they
get as soon as they enter the country, Its total madness !
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: HemsTory
Date: September 26, 2022, 11:55 am
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--- Quote from: Ian Hammond link ---
>
> What about the aussie system ? that worked, they were vilified
in the press etc but it did work !
>
> One huge thing we should do is to remove all the benefits they
get as soon as they enter the country, Its total madness !
>
--- End Quote ---
Bring back workhouses? Have them under armed guard, doing 6 hour
shifts on some basic labour for their room, bed, 3 meals a day
and clothes and a small card for additional purchased from a
tuck shop style thing run by locals from the area the house is
in providing some local employment too
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: Patrick Stoner
Date: September 29, 2022, 2:43 am
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--- Quote from: HemsTory link ---
>
> [quote author=Ian Hammond link=topic=41.msg102#msg102
date=1664199999]
> What about the aussie system ? that worked, they were vilified
in the press etc but it did work !
>
> One huge thing we should do is to remove all the benefits they
get as soon as they enter the country, Its total madness !
>
--- End Quote ---
Bring back workhouses? Have them under armed guard, doing 6 hour
shifts on some basic labour for their room, bed, 3 meals a day
and clothes and a small card for additional purchased from a
tuck shop style thing run by locals from the area the house is
in providing some local employment too
[/quote]
Why not? We have working prisons. My local prison has a very
good market garden stall (It's called "Doing Thyme") and as the
rest of us have to work, why not them.
I should add that I emigrated legally to Australia in 1975 and I
got nothing in terms of housing, benefits or any assistance at
all. I had to find myself work and somewhere to live and I did
it. Had there been a scheme like this, with basic accommodation
and a way to make some money between job interviews i would have
grabbed it with both hands.
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Re: Simple really
DIR By: SteveRichards71
Date: October 2, 2022, 4:41 am
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--- Quote from: HemsTory link ---
>
> [quote author=Ian Hammond link=topic=41.msg92#msg92
date=1664196944]
> Another problem with the ECHR or even our own bill of rights
is that the Lawyers will use it against us, Look at the dodgy
excuses they are using to keep convicted criminals in the
country. Also we need to get deporting those that can be,
> I believe that this should be taken away from the home office
and that we need an Immigration/Illegal immigration dept.
> Whoes sole aim is to remove illegals and deport criminals.
>
> All the time it rests with the home office nothing will
change.
>
--- End Quote ---
Maybe make it best practice when a criminal is a dual national
with British citizenship or residency that it gets removed and
they're deported to that country they're a dual national or
national of with a permenent ban list. People would try what
about parents ... Personally I'd say still deport them and offer
to pay £20,000 to the family to move to the country the parent
is in while giving up their British residency if possible.
The soft touch our country is percieved to have needs to be
shattered harshly lest we continue to be taken advantage of
[/quote]
The idea of paying immigrants to leave the UK and give up their
passports was first muted by Enoch Powell.
This interview from 1976 is interesting.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuH8kb1u1ig&t=325s
#Post#: 291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simple really
DIR By: DavidBlakeman13
Date: October 2, 2022, 5:35 am
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As in most things, the solution is getting to the source of the
problem. It’s surely possible now we finally have a Government
with the guts to do the right thing again to strip out the
attractions that draw the immigrants.
You could kill two birds in with one stone by adopting the
French health model 100%. Not only would it solve so many of the
problems faced by people on a daily basis by providing free and
efficient health care at source but illegal immigrants and
health tourists for that matter would face a blank wall when
seeking health care.
If as in France the health card acts as the doorway to all other
benefits then they would not be available either. I suggest this
may go along way to providing a solution.
Add a requirement that all employers must insist on a production
and recording of same card from every employee then you have it.
It’s time people appreciate there is a reason so many take a
boat to UK and it’s not the weather.
Finally I might go as far as to say ‘Build that Wall’ repeatedly
in a loud voice.
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