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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 3, 2019, 12:56 am
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An interesting test will be whether the reduction of the Bf 110s
from a squadron to a flight in the latest version is a step too
far.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: February 3, 2019, 7:21 am
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It might be. Could I move on to test the first Dutch scenario
(O10) and then come back to these last two?
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 3, 2019, 11:27 am
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Sure thing. Bear in mind we should get multiple eyes on this
scenario.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: February 3, 2019, 1:33 pm
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Yes, that's why in my last Bomber Brigade playtest I suggested
that the new playtester start on these too unless he is doing
something else. Can't remember his name.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: niedziak Date: February 3, 2019, 4:15 pm
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I will perform solo play of new version tomorrow, and one with
Terry when I finish playing Wasserkant with him.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: Markm51 Date: February 5, 2019, 8:09 am
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Version: v0.1 did not see the new version, but still had fun!)
Playtesters: Mark Merritt (Solo)
Report:
Since I played on a outdated version of this scenario I'll keep
the report short.
I placed the flight of P.11s at M5, hoping for head-on on the
HE111 group.
The 2 Sqdns. of P11s with the Expert and Veteran crew were
placed in L2, looking for a head on attack against the DO17s.
The ME110 Sqdn. was placed in level 3 j, one square back from
the lead DO17. I probably should have placed him in the same
hex as the DO17s as close escort, but, I did't. The ME109s were
placed one level above and one square behind the lead HE111s.
Turn one closed the distance for all, no tallies, the vector
locations were not affected by height errors.
Turn two had the flight of P11s tally the lead HE111 and do a
head-on-attack, one P11 shot down, no damage to the HE111. The
109s were blissfully unaware of all of this, having failed their
tally roll! The P11 Flight was broken in the process.
The 2 P11 sqdns. tallied the lead DO17 Sqdn, and the ME110
tallied one of the P11 sqdns. Combat ensued, one DO17 shot down
and the DO17 Sqdn was disrupted in the head on.
Turn 3, the broken flight left the scene followed by the now
alerted and Me109 Sqdn (the green crew...) in a diving chase.
The ME109 with the veteran crew and Expert changed to a Sweep
mission and dove after the P11s menacing the DO17s, but they
could not catch up in this turn.
The two P11 sqdns. reversed course and came up to the rear DO17
sqdn and the ME110. Combat ensued with one DO17 and one ME110
shot down, no P11s lost (the German's rolled badly here...).
The ME110s broke at this point, not much help here.
Turn 4 had the 2 P11 sqdns hit the DO 17 sqdn again, downing
another bomber and breaking that Sqdn. However, both P11s were
ammo depleted and broke. Meantime the ME109 caught up with the
broken P11 Flight and downed another one while also managing to
loose one of their own as well. The other ME109 was one square
behind the 2 P11 sqdns and had no combat. Unfortunately for
them, they can't catch up as both groups move 3 squares and the
P11s will depart the board in 2 turns.
Turns 5-7 completed the bombing profiles. The DO17s did 10% on
the airfield (1 hit). The HE111s however have marvelous luck
and two sqdns hit the bridge for 25% each (16 hits!) and do
double the VP award (20 vs 10)(rolled a 9 and 10 respectively).
The follow up sqdn had its aim obscured by the smoke and debris
and they just kill fish (rolled a 3...).
Final score: German 23 VPs (20 for the bridge hits, 1 for the
airfield and 2 for 2 P11s shot down). The Poles garner 9 VPs (2
each for 3 DO17s and 1 ME110 shot down and 1 VP for 1 ME109).
Recommendations:
Moot now that you have re-worked the scenario. Im not sure why
the bridge has a flack value at all as the bombers cant descend
that low, but it didn't really matter.
I will re-play this one with the re-worked scenario. I had fun,
seemed realistic to me.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 5, 2019, 8:18 am
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Thanks for the AAR, Mark! That's useful VP data. And it sounds
as though the Poles managed to make a dent in the Germans, but
not really stop the bombing. Ignoring the VP outputs, how did
you perceive the victory?
I'm going to be updating scenarios regularly while there's so
much feedback coming in. I'll be posting updates every weekend
for a while, though it may slow down later, as the rate of
testing drops.
The bridges have a flak value really to discourage sweeps going
and strafing, and to discourage flight on the deck.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: Markm51 Date: February 5, 2019, 8:29 am
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Thanks Lee. It felt like a Polish Victory because of the 3 shot
down DO17s, 1 ME110 and 1 ME109 for the loss of only 2 P11s. I
failed to use the +1 Combat modifier for the ME110, not sure
that it would have mattered that much but it might have. The
turn 4 combat where the veteran P11 Sqdn with the expert had a
great combat roll, garnering 3 losses. Only 2 were real but
that was enough to shoot one DO17 and one ME110 down, breaking
both sqdns. Thats why the DO17s bombed so badly.
If it wasn't for the spectacular bombing by the HE111s it would
have been a Polish victory.
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: February 5, 2019, 5:12 pm
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Lee, just to confirm the cloud locations - there are no cloud
layers blocking the Heinkels LOS, correct?
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Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 2:01 am
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I don't quite follow. Blocking the LoS to what? The targets for
bombing?
If you mean do they affect bombing, then they don't because, per
4.7, cloud affects bombing if it is flown through during the
profile or affects the LoS at the moment the bombs drop.
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