DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
Airbattle Games
HTML https://airbattle.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: IGNORE: Wing Leader Playtest Archive
*****************************************************
#Post#: 989--------------------------------------------------
O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 19, 2019, 4:38 am
---------------------------------------------------------
New scenario thread for playtest of Warsaw Concerto. Please do
not create a new thread for this scenario.
#Post#: 1234--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: niedziak Date: January 26, 2019, 1:56 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I found one typo.
In the scenario description you used at the end term Fighter
Escadrille, which is French. I think it should be changed to
either Fighter Squadron, or Polish term Eskadra Myśliwska.
#Post#: 1236--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 26, 2019, 2:45 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I'll correct this to squadrons, but as it's a small typo I won't
update the version number of the scenario. I will post the
update tomorrow.
#Post#: 1268--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: January 27, 2019, 8:02 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Scenario: O03 Warsaw Concerto
Version: v0.1
Playtesters: Chris Bryans (Solo)
Report: This is actually my second test of this scenario but I
chose not to report the first test. I missed special rules 6
and 7, the latter which could have helped the Poles on two
cohesion rolls. It is bizarre but true that during O02's last
test, the previous test on O03 and this one, that the first
cohesion rolls by the Poles netted snake eyes three times, a
three, and two fours! I’ve never seen such bad rolls in all the
years I have been gaming.
Anyway, in this test of O03, the Germans carefully kept their
escorts, and with the exception of the first reaction rolls by
the Me-109s (each of which rolled a one), consistently reacted
early. The Me-110 squadron, with its veteran status and
special rule six, ruined any chances that the Poles had to
intercept the Dorniers. They also kept their cohesion
consistently until the end of the game (one straggler, not even
disrupted).
The Dorniers lost five bombers to antiaircraft and did not
succeed in destroying the airfield. In the first test which I
invalidated (see above), the Dorniers lost seven bombers to ack
ack and also didn’t destroy the airfield either. The Heinkels
did better in the second try of this scenario than they did
during the invalidated first test. I lost the paper which had
the point spread for the first one. Sorry chaps! I can say
that the Poles won since the Germans lost 14 points worth of
bombers and failed to do much damage to their targets. In this
test, however, here are the results:
Victory: German bombing 10 VPs (bridge destroyed) 3 VP
(airfield) + 15 Pzl-11s shot down = 28 VPs
Poles: 10 (5 Do-17 down)
Total: +18 VPs, German Victory
Recommendations: I am wondering why the bridge has a Flak rating
of S0 when the He-111s bombing profile has them approach at an
altitude of 5. I am probably missing something.
So far, in both this scenario and O02, the clear inferiority of
the Poles' doctrine combined with their obsolescent aircraft may
make these scenarios imbalanced no matter what we do. This
isn’t necessarily a problem as it demonstrates the state of
doctrine and aircraft development in 1934 (Pzl 11) and 1939 (109
E-1s and Me-110C-2s). Perhaps it could offer to the gamer some
explanation for the Luftwaffe’s success in the Polish campaign.
I am going to test it again.
One rules question – There is a -2 for tally rolls if the
tallying aircraft is behind the aircraft being tallied. This
isn’t the case for reaction rolls. Any reason for this?
#Post#: 1273--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: Elias Nordling Date: January 28, 2019, 12:17 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote]I am wondering why the bridge has a Flak rating of S0
when the He-111s bombing profile has them approach at an
altitude of 5. I am probably missing something. [/quote]
I'm guessing it is to discourage strafing by the escorts. When
the bombers reach the target the escorts temporarily switch to
sweep, and all sweeps can go strafing when near a target if they
wish. If the bombing is at high altitude and there are enemy
fighters left, it is probably a bad idea to do so.
#Post#: 1276--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 28, 2019, 1:12 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Why did the Germans lose so many Dorniers to flak? Did they
descend from altitude 1 to altitude 0 into the small arms flak
envelope? I would have thought that the best tactic would have
been to stay at altitude 1, above the flak.
Note that the Bridge flak is not only a discouragement to
strafing, but also to the Dorniers trying to egress over the
Bridge at altitude 0. Basically, the scenario wants to keep them
at altitude 1, above the flak.
As regards the tallying mod, I addressed that in a rules comment
here:
HTML https://airbattle.createaforum.com/wing-leader-rules-discussion/escort-reaction/
#Post#: 1296--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: January 28, 2019, 7:40 am
---------------------------------------------------------
They stayed at altitude 1. I just re-read the flak rules and
see my error. Sorry! That would cut the losses to zero.
Perhaps it would balance the scenario more if it were an L1 or
an L0.
#Post#: 1297--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 28, 2019, 7:46 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Chris Bryans link=topic=89.msg1296#msg1296
date=1548682851]Perhaps it would balance the scenario more if it
were an L1 or an L0.[/quote]
I don't quite follow. Do you mean the set-up for the Dorniers?
#Post#: 1302--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: chief2000 Date: January 28, 2019, 11:44 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Perhaps replacing the small arms with light flak and leaving the
Dorniers at altitude 1 where they are now. Of course, the main
thing for me would be to master every rule before I submit an
AAR. I'll have to do it all over again now.
#Post#: 1306--------------------------------------------------
Re: O03 Warsaw Concerto
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 28, 2019, 2:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Adding light flak would certainly increase the threat to the
German bombers, but that's not what I want to showcase in this
scenario. It really needs to be focussed on the interception and
air combat.
*****************************************************
DIR Next Page