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#Post#: 2910--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 17, 2019, 10:47 am
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I'm a little chary about that. Right now the shortest route rule
means the Republicans must get one square closer to their
target, which would stop them swanning off away from the action.
If that proves not to be enough we could add a 'no circling'
rule for the first turn.
#Post#: 2913--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 17, 2019, 10:56 am
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I'll try it again after target Madrid.
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Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Peter_Wagner Date: August 20, 2019, 10:20 am
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v0.6
Player: Pete Wagner (Solo)
1st Game
Summary:
Gave veteran markers to bombers. I-16 wing tallied Ju-52s and
I-15 wing tallied a CR.32 from Fiat Group (with radioless
restriction only one order possible which you can give to all
units in the wing). Bombers glide bombed bunker and scored 4
hits. I-16s only managed 1 kill and a straggler on Ju-52s before
both broke. Only 1 I-15 squadron able to engage a CR.42 squadron
as other I-15s were too far away from circling CR.42s. Air
combat resulted in several swirling stacks of biplanes with
attackers always having the advantage by +2/-2 advantage. Blue
Patrol racked up some impressive kills. Most squadrons broke
after 2 combats.
Result: Draw
Nationalists: 9 VP (3 from bombing 6 I-15s)
Republicans: 5 VP (1 Ju52, 3 Cr.32)
Total: +4
2nd Game
Summary:
I-15 wing failed to tally on first turn!!! Horrible glide
bombing with only 1 hit inflicted!!! Ju-52 disrupted on first
combat (easier prey) combined with an I-16 squadron that never
broke and harassed the Ju-52 flight until it was destroyed.
CR.42 wing failed to tally on second turn which meant they were
playing defender in most combats early on. 3 main stacks fighter
combat at all times. A fair amount of high cohesion rolls for
both sides. For as much combat as there was, not a lot of kills.
Result: Republican Victory
Nationalists: 7 VP (1 from bombing, x3 I16s, x3 I-15s)
Republicans: 13 VP (x3 Ju52s, x7 Cr.32s [one from blue patrol])
Total: -6
Comments:
No Max Losses for Flight specified in Republican OOB. SSR 7 is
interesting. Does it mean that all MP have to be spent moving
closer? Or can they treat the tallied target like a vector? The
scenario is interesting and I think tallies could be used for
some interesting uses like moving closer to bombers. For most
part all combats in my plays have I-15s and Cr.32s hanging out
while I-16s pursue bombers un-hindered. I like the might of Blue
flight but the risk of them being eliminated. Without good
bombing results, its going to be hard for Nationalists to pull
off a win.
#Post#: 2934--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 20, 2019, 11:15 am
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>No Max Losses for Flight specified in Republican OOB.
That might be my fault, I said it wasn't needed as there are no
flights. Yeah, I forgot about order splitting. I guess we need a
split limit too then.
#Post#: 2936--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 21, 2019, 4:13 am
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SSR 7 specifically references 9.2.5, so that is the rule that
restricts movement. It's a 'read what the rule says' moment.
I'll add the flight max losses.
#Post#: 2982--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 28, 2019, 1:44 am
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I think I forgot to add the max flight losses. I'll fix that at
the weekend.
#Post#: 2987--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: chief2000 Date: August 28, 2019, 2:27 pm
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I'll wait for this before I playtest for sign off. We will be
hunkering down in Melbourne, though if Dorian comes our way.
#Post#: 2995--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Kevin Date: August 30, 2019, 9:35 pm
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I might be wrong but version 0.6 looks to be the latest version.
I’m keen to get flying again on this one and hopefully provide a
sign off. I always wanted to see this one working!
#Post#: 3005--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Kevin Date: September 2, 2019, 2:55 pm
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Scenario: O17
Version: v0.6
Playtesters: solo
Still struggling with the opening of this one, I'm afraid. I
started it last night and on Turn 1, the 3 I-15's tallied and
attacked the JU52, which prompted the Blue Patrol to contest it.
The Republicans got a straggler on one bomber and broke the
flight, the Nats missed, while the bombs did no damage. Thus,
the end of the turn is 0 net VP meaning the Republicans can just
run rather than face the Fiats. There needs to be more
incentive for the Republicans to stay and fight.
I have an idea on this one, and happy to be 'shot down' so it's
just a proposal for attempting to model the situation.
Otherwise a heap of special rules are needed to force the
situation which might be met using standard game mechanics. In
actuality the Blue Patrol is escorting the bombers as it seems a
foregone conclusion to me that they will attempt to protect them
when attacked on Turn 1. My proposal is:
Blue Patrol: starts in M6 as an Escort and not a Sweep, with a
Veteran and Experte as per Special rule 3, drop the cohesion
bonus for the Blue Patrol to +1 and the Experte bonus is the
standard +1 and not +2.
Fiat Group: starts in J6, K6, J5 (flight), and K5 as a Sweep
and remove Special rule 6 restricting their movement, and remove
Special Rule 4 preventing them from tallying.
Republicans: begin in the same locations but put them on an
intercept mission instead. Special rules 4 (tallies) and 7
(move toward tally) are removed.
Reduce the draw window to 0 to +3. This forces the Rep's to do
battle or tie the game at best. In exchange for this, the Blue
Patrol has lost the extra parts of Special Rule 3 which were
overly exceptional (is there any other scenario in Wing Leader
that a squadron gets +2 modifiers?).
So what happens in practice?
Blue Patrol can tally early or continue to escort the bombers
into column 0 and take its chances with the reaction roll.
The bombers are not in formation so they are harder to tally.
It could be tempting to put the spare Veteran in the RO.37 Lince
squadron as he is more likely to get on target.
The Fiat Group is an alerted Sweep and can fly 3 columns to M &
N putting them right on top of the action just one square away
from most leading Nationalists. That's if they don't tally on
Turn 1. If they tally, (50% chance) then 2 squadrons can do
battle on Turn 1 if any Republicans dive on the bombers. The
historical narrative has the Blue Patrol engaging first, and as
either an Escort or as conversion to Sweep with a tally, this is
likely to happen. In effect, that short moment of hesitation on
the part of the Fiat Group is modelled by the two hexes distant
from the rest of the Nationalists.
One note on aircraft: the Nat's don't have any advantages aside
from Veterans and Experte while the I-16 is going to be much
more powerful in a speed battle.
I think there's a good balance here while engineering a board
situation that hopefully ensures there is a full melee as in the
narrative. The Nat's can do well with the bombing and gain
points, while the Rep's get a huge bonus if they can down
Morato's Blue Patrol.
#Post#: 3006--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 2, 2019, 3:07 pm
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I like your take on it. I would add as a special rule that Blue
Patrol is allowed to react even to head on attacks.
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