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#Post#: 2877--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 4, 2019, 4:29 am
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I shall simplify the special rules along the lines you suggest,
as that sounds like a sensible rationalisation of over-complex
rules.
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Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 5, 2019, 6:13 am
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v0.5
Player: Elias Nordling
T1: Since Ju52 in formation with fighters, very hard not to
tally it.
All tally, Blue Patrol tallies I15.
All I15s dive to over bunker with the plan to prevent Ro37 from
exiting and use it to ensure being the attackers. 1 I16 attacks
Ju52s. The other hovers above.
Bombing:
Ro37: +2. 4, 10%. 1 hit.
Ju52: -3. 11. 25%, 2 hits.
Combats:
I16 vs Ju52: I16s have +4(+1). But both miss. I16s disrupt.
Cr32 vs I15: Cr32 has +1(+2). 3 I15 lost for no Cr32. I15
disrupts.
Current score: 4. Comment. Good combat roll for Nationalists,
poor for Republicans.
Ro 37 escapes anyway, as nearest available enemy fighter is 2
squares away and it rolls 1.
T2:
Fiat group tallies I16 that attacks Ju52, while I15:s tally Blue
Patrol. Blue Patrol drops tally to gain freedom of movement and
climbs to get closer to the other fight. The unengaged I16
attacks the Ju52s, while the tallied I16 moves back, out of
reach of the CR32s. Fiat Group instead moves adjacent to the two
combat squares aiming for better tallies next turn.
Combats:
I16 vs Ju52: I16 attacks with +4(+1): 2 Ju52s shot down for no
loss. No cohesion hits.
I15s vs Blue Patrol. I15s are the attackers with +3(0). 1 AC of
Blue Patrol shot down. The disrupted I15 breaks. The
Republicans manage to force a dogfight.
Current score: -1
T3:
All CR.32s tally and split up between the two fights. Disrupted
I16 too far away to join fight.
Combats:
I16 vs Ju52+2xCR.32: I16 attacks at +1(0). 1 I16 lost, 1 CR.32
disrupted.
Dogfight:
Blue patrol +1,5 squadrons of CR.32 vs 2 Squadrons of I15.
Allies become the attackers by die roll. Attacks at 0(0),
Nationalists roll at 0(+2). 1 AC of Blue Patrol shot down for 1
I15. 1 I15 Squadron, Blue Patrol breaks. 1 CR.32 squadron
disrupted.
Current score: 0
T4: Unengaged I16 tallies Blue Patrol that has only the experte
left.
Combats:
I16 vs Ju52+2xCr.32: Attacker rolls at +1(0). 1 CR.32 lost.
Republicans deliberately avoid targeting the remaining ju52 to
stay the attacker. Nationalists keep failing to force a
dogfight. I16 disrupts, Both CR.32 take cohesion hits so one
breaks.
I16 vs Blue Patrol: I16 attacks at: +4(+1) Weird that a single
aircraft suffers from rigid doctrine... 1 loss each, Blue Patrol
eliminated. Presumably Experte too. I16 breaks.
Dogfight: 2xCr.32 vs I15. Italians attackers by die roll,
attacking at +2(0). Despite this, losses are 1 Cr.32. Cr.32
flight and I15 breaks.
Current score: -5
Turn 5:
Broken I15 pursued.
Combats:
Expecting to break, the I16 shoots down the last Ju52 for no
loss. All fighters break.
In pursuit, 1 I15 lost, then pursuers break off. Game over.
Final score:
Nationalists:
Bombing 1, 7 Republican fighters: 8
Republicans: 3 Ju52, 5 Cr.32, Experte of Blue Patrol shot down:
14
Total: -6
Comments:
I still felt that the Republicans were in full control of the
battle with the Nationalists unable to achieve a meaningful
advantage, as seen by the fact that once again most combats were
with modifiers favourable to the republicans. The speed
advantage of the I16 and the Ju52s that have to be defended are
powerful advantages for the republicans.
A conservative try at solution would be to add two green markers
to the Republicans. I don't think the gameflow of the first part
would be that much different, but the Republicans would quit
earlier giving the Nationalists a late game numerical advantage.
A more radical idea would be to add a special rule: In a combat
without bombers, if a side has an advantage in crew quality,
that side is the attacker regardless of normal attacker
determination priorities. I'd probably stick the I16s to the
Ju52s anyway forcing the Nationalists to defend them at crappy
odds, though.
Given the current wording of special rule 7, no extra points are
awarded for shooting down all of Blue Patrol. I played as if
that counted too for shooting down the experte.
#Post#: 2882--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 5, 2019, 7:55 am
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I'm not that keen on the special rule, as it looks fiddlesome.
But we could apply something similar just to the Blue Patrol.
Let's try the proposal for adding Green markers.
#Post#: 2883--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 5, 2019, 8:18 am
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I will try it again with two green Republicans.
#Post#: 2885--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 8, 2019, 1:53 pm
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Setting up to try this again, I realized the Ju 52 starts in
formation with the bombers, making tallying them more or less
automatic. With a tally on a bomber, the Republican fighter
being tallied by Blue Patrol can simply walk away from it.
The more I look at turn 1, the less it makes sense from a
scripting standpoint. The Ju52 is more or less automatic tally
while the Ro.37 is impossible to tally and will likely disappear
at the end of turn 1 (though the republicans can send some
fighters to its vicinity in the hope of blocking escape. The
republicans can also make sure that whatever fighter of theirs
becomes tallied avoids combat while the untallied fighters
attack the Ju52s on turn 2.
Here's some suggestions:
1) Lift the tally restrictions for the Republicans. The bombers
are the valuable targets and the Nationalists would be more than
happy to have the Republican fighters tied down in fighter vs
fighter combat.
2) Have Blue Patrol set up in P6 IN A DOGFIGHT with the
Republican fighter there.
3) Set up the ju52 so that it is not in formation with the
fighters.
#Post#: 2886--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 9, 2019, 12:46 pm
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"With a tally on the bomber the Republican fighter being tallied
by the Blue Patrol can run away from it." Is this true when the
Republican fighter has to cfinish its move at least one square
closer to the bomber?
#Post#: 2887--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 9, 2019, 1:07 pm
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[quote] Is this true when the Republican fighter has to finish
its move at least one square closer to the bomber?[/quote]
Uh, no, but you sent me scrambling for the rulebook to see if I
had missed some crucial rule about fighters with tallies not
having free movement. Were you thinking of making a special
rule?
#Post#: 2888--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 9, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Sorry, it was getting late and my mind was fuzzy. For some
reason I got mixed up with the Intercept Vector and Shortest
Route rule. Ugh. Ignore what i said.
#Post#: 2904--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 17, 2019, 5:33 am
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Okay, I like the auto tally, but I'm going to try one of your
recommendations with another special rule change. I suggest:
(1) Lift the turn 1 restrictions on Republicans tallying
bombers. They can tally any enemy.
(2) Add a special rule insisting that on turn 1 (only),
Republicans with tallies must move via the shortest route to
their targets.
#Post#: 2907--------------------------------------------------
Re: O17 Where the Laureate Crosses Grow
By: Elias Nordling Date: August 17, 2019, 8:15 am
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Sounds fair. i assume they have to spend their full MP without
circling.
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