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#Post#: 1976--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: Agm84ssm Date: March 1, 2019, 2:16 pm
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SUPERMOSCAS
The Republicans have an automatic tally on the leading He111 so
the wing leader of the I16 / 10 gives order to attack the
bombers to both squadrons. The Nationalists decide to play
reactions and a CR32 reacts and confronts the I16/10. There are
no casualties and the CR32 gets hooked on dogfight to the
Superfly.
On turn 2, another Supermosca attacks He 111 in the lead. No
escort manages to react. Around the bombers there are 2 combats
between I16 and CR32. The Republicans shoot down 2 He111 and 1
Cr32 without losses of their own and also 2 squadrons of CR32
are broken. It seems that things are going well for the FARE.
On turn 3 the Supermoscas continue their attacks on the He111. A
squadron climbs to prepare its attack and another attack the
bombers. 2 I15 run between the nationalists formations looking
to attack the Do17. The escorting CR32s react in all cases and
the Bf109 that fly in height also join the combats. 4 Republican
fighters are shot down in exchange for 2 CR32 but the bombers
pass untouched.
The first squadron of He111 enters the target and receives 1 hit
of the flak but without results and its bombs do not do any
damage.
At this point there has been a great squadron cleaning. Only 3
figther squadrons of each side are available. The I15 do tally
on the Do17 that is climbing to dodge them and a squadron of I16
dives on a He111. The nationalists fighters intercept all enemy
fighters and shoot down 4 enemy fighters without losing their
own. All the republican squadrons break and the aerial battle
ends as such although there are still bombings to be carried
out. The second group of He111 overcomes the Flak and makes 1
Hit.2 CR32 chase the I15 that retreat and shoot down 1 enemy
fighter but leave the prey to not enter the Republican flak
zone.
The third group of He111 attacks the bridge and achieves 1 more
hit but the flak knocks down 1 bomber. The Do17 make their pass
of recce and 1 plane is shot down by the AAA.
Final score: +6
Nationalists: 3 I16 / 10 + 1 I16 + 6 I15 = = 10VP. 5 Vp for
succesful reco. 1 Vp for Ligth damage (2 Hits). 16 VP
Republicans: 1 Do17 + 3 He 111+ 2 CR32 = 10VP
Nationalists Victory
The result feels historically reasonable. All the modifications
suggested by Elias work perfectly and will improve the scenario.
Although the victory has gone to the Nationalists, the feeling
is that the scenario is balanced and the Republicans can win. It
has been the scenario with which I have enjoyed
My only suggestion is change the name of scenario to
SUPERMOSCAS, in spanish
#Post#: 1977--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 1, 2019, 2:37 pm
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[quote]My only suggestion is change the name of scenario to
SUPERMOSCAS, in spanish[/quote]
That would however take away the fun that Downtown also has a
scenario named Superfly, for entirely different reasons.
#Post#: 1999--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 3, 2019, 2:49 am
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I have no problem changing the name.
#Post#: 2095--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 11, 2019, 1:57 pm
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I don't know if this was forgotten or accidentally reintroduced,
but this is still true:
[quote]The I16 Type 10 set up as a wing but not adjacent to each
other. I assume one should be in N9 rather thn M9?[/quote]
#Post#: 2099--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 12, 2019, 4:18 am
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Oh, bum. I thought I'd fixed that. Let's revise that so that the
set-up for Grupo 29 is M9, N9.
#Post#: 2160--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 20, 2019, 2:41 pm
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v0.5
Player: Elias Nordling (solo)
The Republicans managed to get a couple of lucky cohesion rolls
against the lead bomber, breaking it, but had more trouble
actually killing any bombers. The one downed was downed by flak.
The Nationalists mostly managed to parry the republican
fighters, and came out slightly ahead in the air combat tally.
Of the three bombers, the first two were duds but the final one
rolled a lucky 12 for 25% damage and 5 points. The recon passed
unscathed overhead.
Score:
Nationalists: 5 pts bombing + 5 pts recce + 8 Rep ftrs: 18
Republicans: 1 bomber, 5 ftrs: 7
Total Score: 11 Clear Nationalist victory. Felt like it too.
Comments: I have no further changes to suggest. The Nationalist
VP level is where it needs to be if the Republicans are not to
win by just running away. Had the Republican bombing failed
completely but the recon succeeded, it would have been a narrow
Nationalist victory, which would have felt just right too. The
Republicans could definitely have scored better, but weren't
exceptionally unlucky either. I think this scenario is right
where we want it, and I am happy to sign it off.
#Post#: 2162--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 21, 2019, 4:01 am
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Roger that. We just need to get another set of eyes on this to
sign off too.
#Post#: 2602--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: chief2000 Date: June 12, 2019, 7:15 pm
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Scenario: O21 Supermosca
Version: v0.5
Playtesters: Chris Bryans (Solo)
Report: This is my first playtest of this scenario. Note: In
all air combats involving the CR32, it has the edge
Turn One
Scenario grants automatic tally to Grupo 26 wing leader to He111
(S) in G5. All should go for the bomber
I-16 wing leader goes head on with He111 (escorts cannot react)
He111 suffers a loss
Cohesion: 116 good
He111S disrupted
Turn Two
I15 wing leader fails tally of CR32C
CR32D fails tally of I15 wing leader
CR32G fails tally of I16 wing leader (everyone is rolling low on
tally rolls this turn)
CR32A close escort tallies I16 wing leader
CR32C successfully reacts early against I16B
I16A and K vs He111S He111 suffers two more losses
Cohesion: I16K disrupted; I16A good
He111 broken
CR32 C vs. I16B
I16B suffers two losses and straggler
Cohesion: CR32C good
I16B broken
Turn Three
I16K and A drop tally on He111S and will break out of area
toward the rear to avoid barrage fire and to draw off escorts.
I15 wing leader again fails tally – this time of He111U (you can
teach….monkeys to fly better than that!)
Bf109B barely fails tally against I15. (note: without a
veteran attached to this squadron, he will never participate.
He gets as close as five squares which requires a roll of six.
Or, if he is a vet he can roll a 5 or 6)
CR32A tallies I16K
CR32A vs I16K
Straggler I16 turns to loss plus one more loss, one straggler
Cohesion: I16K breaks
I16A good
CR32 disrupts
Dogfight begins I16A and CR32
Administrative phase: Barrage begins – heavy and light flak
Turn Four
CR32E fails tally of I15I behind it and above
I15 wing tallies Do17. Wing orders concentration on Do17
I16B (broken) flies through one hex of flak barrage no effect
CR 32G first flak attack straggler. Cohesion: disrupted.
Second attack: straggler becomes loss: CR32G breaks
CR32C first and second flak attacks no effect
CR32D flak attack cohesion check disrupted
He111T flak attack straggler -1 to bombing. Second attack no
effect
Bomb run of He111T no effect (-3 modifiers with roll of 8)
Dogfight I16A and CR32A no effect
Cohesion: CR32A breaks
I16A good
I15 wing vs. Do17: no effect
Cohesion: Do17 good
I15G disrupted
I15I good
Turn Five
CR32E fails tally of I15wing
I16A drops tally of CR32A and tallies fleeing and broken He111S
Barrage flak vs broken I16B no effect
CR32D flak attack one loss. Breaks. Second flak attack no
effect
CR32E flak attack straggler. Disrupted
Flak attack HE111T no effect; second attack no effect
Flak attack HE111U: cohesion check: good second attack one loss,
-1 bombing
Cohesion: good
Bomb run: identical to predecessor (rolled 8 with -3= 5 no
effect)
I15 wing vs Do17
Do17 incurs a loss
Cohesion: I15G breaks
I15I disrupted
Do17 passes cohesion check
Turn Six
Bf109B fails tally against I15 wing
I15s break off action to avoid barrage
CR32D flak attack no effect
Flak attack He111T scores a loss
Cohesion: good
CR32E Flak attack no effect for both attacks
He111U first attack no effect, one loss second attack
Cohesion: good
Turn Seven
109B RTB to avoid flak
Do17 flak attack cohesion check disrupts Do17
Recce mission successful
Turn eight
Do17 turns to RTB instead of moving toward the edge of the board
to avoid flak but still gets penalized in one square over target
turning for home – no effect (should have done that with the
others after their bombing mission)
Victory:
Nationalists: 5 (recce)+ 4 (I-16s)=9
Republicans: 10 (5 He111) + 3 (CR32s)= 13
9-13=-5 Republican Victory
Recommendations: I haven’t looked at the other playtests in
order to keep this playtest as unbiased as possible, but I am
wondering why the Bf109 is flying at such a level that he barely
has a chance to tally, much less engage the action below. Even
if I assigned him a veteran he would barely be able to tally at
that distance. For now, that is the only change I would make.
Moving the Bf109 from 12 to 9 may help. All else seems pretty
well balanced from what I can see so far.
One typo in the narrative. Second line from the bottom: The
Republican fighters intercepted the raid and challenged ….
#Post#: 2619--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 16, 2019, 7:50 am
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Elias, what's your view on the high Bf 109s? I know we adjusted
them down in altitude to get them into battle, presumably
against the high I-16s. How do they figure in the current
version of the scenario?
#Post#: 2624--------------------------------------------------
Re: O21 Super-Fly
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 16, 2019, 11:13 am
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They are high indeed, and if you don't put the veteran in them
they risk missing the battle, but as I regall, if you want to
interfer with the recce, you will encounter them. I understand
the German tactics featured too high flying sweeps.
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