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#Post#: 5935--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Al Cannamore Date: June 14, 2020, 2:08 am
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The one altitude restriction really limits attacker movement
options. Flying a bombing profile, which strafing is a variant,
restricts circling so I can foresee some loop de loop moves as
strafers burn MPs flying past their target or spinning in a
square just because they can’t dive more than one level.
I do see the point Elias makes too. I’d be more in favor of the
profile restricting entry of the targets square from directly
above.
#Post#: 5936--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 14, 2020, 2:27 am
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Even with the restriction, there is nothing preventing a
fighter-bomber steep-angle bombing from high altitude, ending
its move at altitude 1, and strafe immediately after the next
turn. But it would expose it for two turns of flak so it would
feel right.
#Post#: 5964--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 16, 2020, 10:25 am
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I've had a mail back from Rick on the strafing rule 15.2.1.1.
I'm sure he won't mind if I repeat it here:
‘A strafing mission is a variant of the bombing mission that
permits a squadron to strafe as well as bomb. Assign the
squadron a weapon load as normal [15.1].
(since having a weapon load is actually mandatory I think this
statement should be made stronger)
The squadron can make strafing attacks [15.3.7] or bomb if it
has a weapon load.
(the "bomb if it has a weapon load" is ambiguous - the "if"
could be taken to imply that perhaps it doesn't need a bomb
load, which is not the intent)
It does not return to base after attacking, but can make further
strafing or bombing attacks against the same or different
target.
("further . . . bombing attacks" could be taken to imply that it
can somehow make more than one bombing attack, which is not
true)
It continues until its ammo is depleted by strafing, or it wants
to stop attacking, at which point it returns to base.'
(I assume that even if it had depleted its ammo it would still
not be required to RTB until it had also expended its weapons
load; also thought it would be worth cross-referencing 9.2.1.1
here, which says that if it jettisons its weapon load it must
RTB and cannot strafe)
May be too late to be considered, but here is my suggested
re-wording of 15.2.1.1 (key wording changes are highlighted):
‘A strafing mission is a variant of the bombing mission that
permits a squadron to strafe as well as bomb. The squadron must
be assigned a weapon load [15.1]. The
squadron may conduct, in any order, one bombing attack and one
or more strafing attacks [15.3.7]. It may attack the same or
different target until its weapon load is expended and its ammo
is depleted, its weapon load is jettisoned [9.2.1.1], or it
wants to stop attacking, at which point it returns to base.'
#Post#: 5965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 16, 2020, 10:28 am
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One thing Rick's feedback has pointed me to is the fact that
nowhere do we list gun pods or AT pods as one of the weapon
loads in 15.1. I now wonder if I should rewrite the strafing
section of that rule to include these.
I'm a little concerned that the last sentence of Rick's rewrite
includes many permutations of reasons that can cause a squadron
to return to base, but listed in series they become an opaque
mush. Do we need to list all these? Is there a simpler way to
express this?
#Post#: 5966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Al Cannamore Date: June 16, 2020, 11:47 am
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[quote author=Elias Nordling link=topic=54.msg5936#msg5936
date=1592119665]
Even with the restriction, there is nothing preventing a
fighter-bomber steep-angle bombing from high altitude, ending
its move at altitude 1, and strafe immediately after the next
turn. But it would expose it for two turns of flak so it would
feel right.
[/quote]
Except that you must preplot your previous moves perfectly since
you must expend all your MPs and you can’t circle while flying a
bombing profile.
#Post#: 5967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 16, 2020, 12:21 pm
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True, but you can jig it a bit by choosing which column to
initiate a dive bombing from. But safe to say it is not an
actual problem.
#Post#: 5968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 16, 2020, 12:56 pm
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So let's start with introducing Gun Pods and AT Pods as weapon
loads. I propose changing the fifth paragraph of 15.1 to say:
Strafing attacks only require a squadron meets prerequisites
[15.3.7]. However, Gun Pod and AT Pod loads may be carried
[13.5.6].
Excuse the tightness of the text but as I'm tight for page
space, I'm trying to prevent it overflowing into a new line.
#Post#: 5969--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 16, 2020, 1:16 pm
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So, looking at Rick’s proposal for 15.2.1.1, here’s my
counterproposal, which adopts most of his suggestions:
A strafing mission is a variant of the bombing mission that
permits a squadron to strafe as well as bomb. The squadron must
be assigned a weapon load [15.1]. The squadron may conduct, in
any order, one bombing attack and one or more strafing attacks.
It may attack the same or different target until its ammo is
depleted by strafing and its weapon load expended or jettisoned,
or it wants to stop attacking, at which point it returns to
base.
Note that this dovetails more effectively with the change to
15.1 that identifies AT pods et al as weapon loads.
#Post#: 5974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 17, 2020, 12:05 am
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My concern here would be to make sure fighters with gun pods
don't turn into schrödinger's Fighter Bombers.
#Post#: 5976--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 17, 2020, 2:12 am
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The most obvious example of this is Hurricane IIs with AT Pods.
What rules support do we need for this?
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