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#Post#: 5868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 9, 2020, 5:55 am
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Again, the Hs129. Can't bomb and strafe in the same pass, and
the bombing has much less chance of hitting anything than the
gun. So you save the bombs for last.
#Post#: 5869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 7:00 am
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I'm thinking of add this to 15.2.3, the Sweep mission
description. Any thoughts?
After commencing a strafing attack, a sweep squadron can move 3
MPs, even if not alerted.
#Post#: 5870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 9, 2020, 7:03 am
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That makes it subtly different than FB movement, since FBs can
only start to go 3 squares if they start the turn within 4
columns while declaring a strafe can take place during movement,
so you could gain the extra movement point even if you started
further away.
#Post#: 5871--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 7:12 am
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If you look at the strafing rule a target can only be declared
if within four columns of it.
Update: Yes, I see the issue. Is it really a problem?
#Post#: 5872--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 7:16 am
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Okay, because there are so many changes flicking back and forth
I thought I'd produce a version of the rules and errata that
incorporates all the proposed changes to the 15.2.1.1 Strafing
mission, the 5.2.3 Sweep mission and the 15.3.7 Strafing Attack.
I've posted these to the Supremacy folder on dropbox, both files
dated 09Jun20.
Please take a look over these and tell me if this is an
improvement.
(I'd be particularly interested in getting Al's feedback, given
his wrestling with these rules recently.)
#Post#: 5877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Al Cannamore Date: June 9, 2020, 11:56 am
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I’ve been following the discussion. I’ll have a chance to read
through the changes tonight.
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Re: Strafing
By: Al Cannamore Date: June 11, 2020, 7:10 am
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I’ve read through the changes Lee and the clarifications you’ve
added are clear to me. Reading the revised text, I don’t see
myself making the same mistaken assumption that my Sweep Zeros
could have started the scenario loaded with bombs.
I also like the “shortest route” restriction you’ve added when
declaring a bombing attack. This addition coupled with the no
circling restriction of 15.3 addresses the “gamey” movement
options I felt Sweep squadrons could utilize simply by declaring
a strafing attack with no intention of seeing it through to
completion.
I think 15.2.1.1 makes it clear that squadrons with a bomb load
and depleted ammo can then fly a bombing profile. The depleted
ammo status by itself does not require RTB.
The only discrepancy I see now is between the last sentence of
15.2.1.1 and the last paragraph of [s]15.3.2[/s] 15.2.3. The
former says you return to base when ammo is depleted OR after it
“wants to stop attacking”. The latter does not require RTB ever.
I’m not sure of the intent here. 15.2.1.1 seems to force RTB on
Sweep squadrons that cease a strafing profile BEFORE or after
completion. Additionally, [s]15.2.2.1[/s] 15.2.1.1 and 15.3.7
force RTB if ammo is depleted. [s]15.3.2[/s] 15.2.3 does not.
#Post#: 5900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 11, 2020, 12:02 pm
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Thanks, Al!
Hmmm. I think a fix to 15.3.7 might be to rewrite the final
paragraph as:
Unlike other bombing attacks, after strafing the squadron can
strafe again. Until it attacks again the squadron can move
freely provided it stays within 4 columns of any enemy surface
unit.
#Post#: 5905--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Al Cannamore Date: June 11, 2020, 4:06 pm
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I like that change too.
I misquoted a couple of rules sections in my post and have
edited them. Working from my iPad and juggling several windows.
Maybe you’re still thinking on this but there’s still a
discrepancy I see between 15.2.1.1 and 15.2.3 and I’m unsure of
your intent.
I can think of several examples...
A Sweep declares strafing but ceases the profile before getting
a tally. Must it RTB? 15.2.1.1 says yes. 15.2.3 says no.
A Sweep completes a strafing attack and depletes its ammo. Can
it resume its Sweep? 15.2.3 says yes. 15.2.1.1 says no.
#Post#: 5906--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 12, 2020, 1:48 am
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Al, 15.2.1.1 and 15.2.3 describe two entirely different
missions.
Rule 15.2.1.1 describes the strafing mission that can be applied
to a wide variety of squadrons. Not just fighters but also light
and medium bombers. Rule 15.2.3 describes fighter sweeps, which
are for fighters only.
Now, it’s true that a fighter-bomber squadron can start with a
strafing mission and convert to a sweep mission after dropping
bombs. But that’s not true of all squadrons with the strafing
mission. So there will be differences between the two missions.
They may both permit strafing but they are not the same.
All that said, I think there IS a question mark over the
strafing attack rule in 15.3.7, where we now have a rule in the
profile saying “If a squadron is depleted by a strafing attack
it returns to base.”. I am thinking that this sentence may need
to be removed completely from 15.3.7. The prerequisites prevent
a depleted squadron from making a strafing attack and the
current version of 15.2.1.1 handles the situation where a unit
with a strafing mission RTBs after becoming ammo depleted.
However, I now want to eliminate the rule queries that this rule
generates with sweep squadrons. Removing this sentence does
that.
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