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#Post#: 5593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: May 24, 2020, 3:19 am
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I'm not quite sure what you want to communicate. How would you
change the text?
#Post#: 5595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: May 24, 2020, 5:01 am
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Basically, that you can use the strafe ability for sweeps to
change altitude when within 4 columns of a target. You don't
actually have to strafe to do this.
#Post#: 5858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 8, 2020, 3:51 am
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Okay, I am going back to the strafing rules to address some
issues that more than one player has commented on.
(a) Rule 15.2.3 does not talk about how a sweep squadron moves
in proximity to a ground target.
(b) Rule 15.3.7 permits free movement after a strafing attack
but not necessarily before. Do we need to communicate this
better?
I think we can address (a) by simply adding a half-sentence that
communicates that diving near the target is permitted and then
pointing the player at the relevant rule. We have space for the
following (changed underlined):
A sweep squadron can strafe surface units, diving when near a
target, per 15.3.7.
I’m now considering how we approach rule 15.3.7.
Update: I'm reconsidering this proposed change in light of the
change to the strafing profile below. I don't think we should be
adding profile information to the mission description. I'm
starting to think that this opens a can of worms.
#Post#: 5859--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 8, 2020, 5:10 am
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Let's start with the initial attack as described in 15.3.7.
Having re-read the rule I'm inclined to take on board Elias's
suggestion of using the shortest route text in the first
paragraph of the profile. The free movement should very much be
about what happens after the initial attack, for subsequent
attacks.
(Addition: whatever text I apply to strafing probably needs to
be added to ATGR attacks, too.)
#Post#: 5861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 8, 2020, 10:41 am
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So what if we changed the strafing profile to say this?
Designate the target when the squadron is within four or fewer
columns of it. The squadron flies the shortest route to that
target’s square [9.2.5].
This incorporates Elias's earlier suggestion and simplifies.
#Post#: 5863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 1:18 am
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On looking at the rule again this morning I feel I have to make
an important clarification to the strafing rule. The final
sentence needs to say:
'After strafing the squadron can move freely provided it stays
within 4 columns of any enemy surface unit.'
The rule as written only allows free movement after the strafing
attack, not before. I suspect this has been misread and abused.
#Post#: 5864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 9, 2020, 1:39 am
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I've been thinking about this one seeing implications I haven't
seen before.
Once you strafe, you go into a state where you sort of have to
remember you have previously strafed. Because you are then
required to return to base when ammo is depleted. I assume this
is also true even if ammo is not depleted in strafing.
Or you could make it not require tracking and say if a strafing
attack causes your ammo to deplete, you have to return to base.
Or maybe only a squadron on strafing mission has to return to
base after depleting, not a sweep?
Come to think of it, 15.2.3 seems to say in a bombing scenario,
sweeps return to base as soon as their ammo is depleted,
regardless if they strafed or not.
Another rules oddity: This:"When starting movement within four
columns of an enemy surface unit,
fighter-bombers can move 3 MPs instead of the normal 2 MPs for
bombers
(and may add 1 MP for diving if flying a bombing profile)." is
from the FB rules, and so technically doesn't apply to strafing
sweeps that would still have to move 2 MP.
#Post#: 5865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 2:36 am
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[quote]Or you could make it not require tracking and say if a
strafing attack causes your ammo to deplete, you have to return
to base.[/quote]
That’s an interesting idea. That’s really clean and simple.
[quote]Come to think of it, 15.2.3 seems to say in a bombing
scenario, sweeps return to base as soon as their ammo is
depleted, regardless if they strafed or not.[/quote]
Yes, I see the problem. Perhaps remove this condition from
15.2.3.
[quote]technically doesn't apply to strafing sweeps that would
still have to move 2 MP.[/quote]
What would be the solution to this?
#Post#: 5866--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: June 9, 2020, 4:32 am
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[quote]That’s an interesting idea. That’s really clean and
simple.[/quote] Unless you still have a bomb load, of course :-)
[quote]What would be the solution to this?[/quote]
An addition to the sweep rules similar to the on under Fighter
Bombers?
#Post#: 5867--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 9, 2020, 5:14 am
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Let’s think about the whole business of the bomb load and
strafing mission for a moment. Is there a situation where you
would not use your bomb load on the first attack? Do people ever
actually do this?
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