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#Post#: 1503--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 6, 2019, 9:46 am
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Ok so running into an interesting tactic choice in O25 - The
Great Raid. The sweep wing formations start rather high. To get
them down lower to engage Soviet fighters, can the sweep
formations choose to Strafe to get down lower and then tally on
a follow up turn? Or is this an abuse of the intent of strafing?
In other words, when declaring your Sweeps are strafing, must
that sweep follow through with an attack on ground targets? I
understand that if engaged in air combat while doing strafe
profile movement, that it will be interrupted, but what about if
it is just wanting to get lower to make a tally attempt?
Or how about it if just stops its strafe profile when at the
desired altitude and then continue with sweep forward movement?
I feel like this has been talked about before but I don't
remember when.
Pete
#Post#: 1504--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 6, 2019, 9:49 am
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Also, as is a possibility in O25, can the sweep wing formations
use a Strafing profile to fly down together and maintain their
Wing Formation?
#Post#: 1505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 9:54 am
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Certainly the intent is that you commit to strafing, unless
otherwise interrupted, but yes I can see how this could be
abused. Any thoughts as to a counter? Do I need a sidebar to
15.2.3 to say that this is not on?
#Post#: 1507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 6, 2019, 10:03 am
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The rules for bombing profiles state:
A squadron can only fly one profile at a time, but can cease
flying a profile at any point so as to designate a new target or
commence a different profile.
This rule seems to suggest that it is illegal to simply stop
flying a profile to continue with a sweep mission. So maybe if
we change the wording to "but only in order to designate a new
target or commence a different profile." This way, once a
profile is started, bombs WILL fall or Strafing WILL occur one
way or another . . . unless interrupted by being engaged by
enemy fighters.
Thoughts?
Pete
#Post#: 1508--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 6, 2019, 10:09 am
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What about adding a rule for Strafing Profile which states
"Fighters that begin a Strafing Profile may NOT make tally
attempts until after they engage a ground target." This way they
could make one strafing attack and then begin tally attempts or
continue to strafe the ground target a 2nd time. Not sure this
is the best wording though.
Oh and I just noticed that under the advanced sweep rules, when
Sweeps who engage in strafing decide to stop strafing, they MUST
RTB. I think that should shore up things pretty well with the
above rule.
Pete
#Post#: 1513--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 12:38 pm
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[quote author=Peter Wagner link=topic=54.msg1507#msg1507
date=1549469016]This rule seems to suggest that it is illegal to
simply stop flying a profile to continue with a sweep mission.
So maybe if we change the wording to "but only in order to
designate a new target or commence a different profile." This
way, once a profile is started, bombs WILL fall or Strafing WILL
occur one way or another . . . unless interrupted by being
engaged by enemy fighters.[/quote]
I'm worried that there are situations where locking a squadron
into strafing might create unwanted behaviours.
#Post#: 1564--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 8, 2019, 8:06 am
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For scenarios like O25, using Strafe to get those high sweeps
down low is going to be essential for Japanese. My above
suggesting for amending the Profile rule would be a prohibition
to "stopping" the profile but not prohibition to making tally
attempts while strafing. This way they won't be abusing it in
the sense of just wanting to start their sweep at a lower
altitude but will use it to get within tally range of targets
low and near the ground targets.
Pete
#Post#: 1589--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 9, 2019, 7:02 am
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I’m of the view that we should avoid creating a can of worms.
I’m also of the view that the rules should lean towards being
more permissive and not less particularly where edge cases are
involved.
I think I’d prefer the player controlling a fighter-bomber or a
strafing sweep unit to have the freedom to tally, otherwise we
risk creating strange behaviours should we lock them in to not
tallying. However, I realise that this opens the opportunity for
‘strafing sleaze’.
I’m not sure of a way around this that does not create an
escalating series of questions that would need further
legislation.
#Post#: 1590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 9, 2019, 7:14 am
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I think as a clarification we should add to 15.2.4 a line that
states that a tally means ceasing any bombing profile being
flown.
I'm also thinking of re-writing the 15.2.3 final paragraph to
say the following:
"A sweep squadron can strafe surface units [15.3.7]. It can
continue strafing until it tallies, or wants to make no more
strafing attacks, at which point it continues its sweep. If its
ammo is depleted it must return to base."
The change here is that sweep squadrons can now elect to stop
strafing without going home. The change clarifies that they can
tally enemies. But if they deplete from strafing they must
return home.
I think that covers a lot of the bases.
#Post#: 5588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strafing
By: Elias Nordling Date: May 24, 2020, 2:52 am
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After playing with some players I haven't played before, I'm
thinking that the implications of 15.3.7 on sweeps are too
subtle. Effectively, sweeps within 4 suares of a target gains
the freedom to dive by declaring a strafe, and they don't
actually have to complete this strafing. After the first
strafing pass they have complete freedom of movement while
having ammo left and being near the target.
I think expanding the player note at 15.2.3 to include this
would be very useful.
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