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#Post#: 1398--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 2, 2019, 9:17 am
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[quote author=Lee Brimmicombe-Wood link=topic=37.msg1373#msg1373
date=1549054944]
(2) I've accepted all your changes except for two:
- The Blenheim change simply didn't fit the space--switching the
text around took up an extra line, which the ADC doesn't have. I
can live with the inconsistency in the order of information.
- Your proposed Lancaster variant information didn't scan well,
so I kept it as-is
Hope that's okay.
[/quote]
No prob, boss. You're the boss, boss.
#Post#: 1477--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 6, 2019, 2:51 am
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Lee,
As I posted in response to the news about Victories 2Ed and
Eagles, I'm in the midst of a review of the whole ADC
collection. I noticed you have two different ways of laying out
the variant section info on the ADCs when dealing with the
variants involving no rating changes. Examples:
Gladiator Mk.II ADC
Gladiator Mk.I Early version, Feb 37. Designated J 8 in Swedish
service
Gladiator Mk.II This card represents the uprated aircraft,
designated J 8A in Swedish service
Sea Gladiator Carrier-launched variant
Battle Mk.I ADC
Battle Mk.I This card represents the Battle Mk.I, Mk.II and Mk.V
I think we could mix them and get a "best of both world" layout,
such as below:
Gladiator Mk.II ADC
This card represents the early Gladiator Mk.I, available Feb 37,
designated J 8 in Swedish service; the uprated Mk.II, designated
J 8A in Swedish service; and the carrier-launched Sea Gladiator
This would have the advantage of making the variants with rating
changes more obvious, as well as (I think) allowing for a small
gain of space. Another couple of rewrite samples, with ADC
including both "no rating change" and "rating change" info:
SBD-3 Dauntless ADC
This card also represents later variants including the SBD-4 and
SBD-5, as well as the land-based Army Air Force A-24 Banshee,
variant of the SBD-3, -4 and -5
SBD-1, SBD-2 Early variants lacking armour and fuel protection
Reduce Protection to 3
A-20 Havoc ADC
This card represents the A-20A, B and C; the DB-7 in French
service; and the Boston Mk.III and Mk.IIIA bomber variants in
British and Commonwealth service
A-20G, A-20H Ground attacker, in service Feb 43
Increase Bombs to 13 and Firepower to 2/0
A-20J, A-20K Bomber, in service 43
Upgrade Bombsight to G; increase Bombs to 13
If you think it's worth the time, I'm willing to propose
rewrites of the whole ADC collection for you to review; in this
case, it'd be very nice for my poor OCD-self to have access to
the text of the ADC files so as to gain time and not introduce
typoes of my own (a Text Copy-enabled PDF would do it).
#Post#: 1478--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 2:56 am
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I think we can regularise the information presentation along
these lines. The bad news is that it's going to be hard to get
.pdfs to you, because of the way I produce the files from .jpg
renders of the illustrator files.
Would it be easier for me to do a first pass on consolidating
the information along the lines you indicate, and then get you
to proof that? That may be better, because any substantial
reorganisation is likely to introduce errors.
#Post#: 1479--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 6, 2019, 3:08 am
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[quote author=Lee Brimmicombe-Wood link=topic=37.msg1478#msg1478
date=1549443387]
I think we can regularise the information presentation along
these lines. The bad news is that it's going to be hard to get
.pdfs to you, because of the way I produce the files from .jpg
renders of the illustrator files.
Would it be easier for me to do a first pass on consolidating
the information along the lines you indicate, and then get you
to proof that? That may be better, because any substantial
reorganisation is likely to introduce errors.
[/quote]
Well, it depends on your bandwidth, really. Having the text
would make things slightly easier for me, of course, but
honestly, that's something I might very well type in myself. You
know you can count on my thoroughness to make sure I double
check what I send you. We can agree now on rewriting all the
required ADCs in this way, while giving priority to the
Victories and Eagles ADCs. I can do them before the weekend, I'm
pretty sure. The others could wait a little.
Well, let's be honest: I gotta confess, I'd love to do this. I
get my kick out of editing text... sad, but true. ;D
And besides, that'd free up time for you to start working on the
Origins art. You know you want to. ;)
#Post#: 1485--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Elias Nordling Date: February 6, 2019, 3:55 am
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Can you deny a man such simple pleasures, Lee? ;D
#Post#: 1486--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 4:12 am
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Knowing that I'm the weak point in this chain, capable of adding
errors to the cards, I think I would rather give you a draft
that I've made mistakes on and then ask you to proof that.
#Post#: 1487--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 6, 2019, 4:44 am
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[quote author=Lee Brimmicombe-Wood link=topic=37.msg1486#msg1486
date=1549447950]
Knowing that I'm the weak point in this chain, capable of adding
errors to the cards, I think I would rather give you a draft
that I've made mistakes on and then ask you to proof that.
[/quote]
Ok!
I'll still have my currently ongoing ADC background info
proofing feedback ready for you before Saturday, though. ;)
By the way, this proofing pass raised a couple rating questions
on the Hurricane Mk.IIC (Victories) and Ju 87D-3 (Supremacy)
ADCs; I guess it's fair to post them in this thread?
The Hurricane Mk.IID variant info reads "carries AT Pod instead
of bombs" As its 40mm guns weren't removable and its wing wasn't
equipped to carry bombs IIRC, this should technically be
replaced by "add AT Gun 5 ability; remove Bomb rating", right?
(But I see how you might not have enough space on the card to
write this...)
Ju 87D-3: According to my sources, the D model could carry bombs
or gun pods, "each housing either twin 20mm cannon or six 7.92mm
MG 81" So the "AT Pod" ability on the front should be changed to
"Gun Pod", and the Ju 87G-1, G-2 variant info should read
"Increase Protection to 4-5; remove Dive Brakes and Gun Pod
abilities; add AT Pod ability"
Comments?
#Post#: 1488--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 6, 2019, 4:53 am
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[quote author=Vincent Lefavrais link=topic=37.msg1487#msg1487
date=1549449862]The Hurricane Mk.IID variant info reads "carries
AT Pod instead of bombs" As its 40mm guns weren't removable and
its wing wasn't equipped to carry bombs IIRC, this should
technically be replaced by "add AT Gun 5 ability; remove Bomb
rating", right? (But I see how you might not have enough space
on the card to write this...)[/quote]
It needs to be AT pods, as the addition of the 2 pdr gondolas
affected performance.
[quote author=Vincent Lefavrais link=topic=37.msg1487#msg1487
date=1549449862]Ju 87D-3: According to my sources, the D model
could carry bombs or gun pods, "each housing either twin 20mm
cannon or six 7.92mm MG 81" So the "AT Pod" ability on the front
should be changed to "Gun Pod", and the Ju 87G-1, G-2 variant
info should read "Increase Protection to 4-5; remove Dive Brakes
and Gun Pod abilities; add AT Pod ability"[/quote]
I believe the defining characteristic of the Gs were the AT
guns. I can add a gun pod option to the front for the D, but
prefer to keep the G variant information as-is.
#Post#: 1490--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 6, 2019, 5:09 am
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Ok. I'm probably overthinking all these Gun Pod and AT Pod
considerations anyway, as I suppose someone would have long
chimed in about it if there was something amiss.
By the way, if you're looking for a way to shave off text and
free a little space in ADC background text, you might replace
the numerous "entered service in [date]" occurrences with "in
service [date]"
#Post#: 1582--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 9, 2019, 4:53 am
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Announcement
Okay, so it's been quite a grind to update the ADC variant
information to the new standardised format. I have just posted
up the latest files of all the ADCs and now need the following
help:
(1) Karl. Karl, can you please review the blurb text for the
ADCs?
(2) Vincent. Vincent, it's likely that the update may have
introduced new errors. Could you do me the favour of
re-reviewing the Victories and Eagles ADC variant information?
(3) What ADC Do I Use? I need a volunteer to compare the variant
information for the Victories and Eagles ADCs with the What ADC
Do I Use? tables on the back of the Victories scenario book and
the Eagles book, and ensure they align.
(4) Proofing and ADC Reviews. For the rest of you, this will be
a final chance to review the Victories and Eagles ADC data and
information before they go into production.
Note: I do not yet have a product code and have not yet updated
copyright information on the ADC sheets. I shall be doing this
after the next round of feedback returns.
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