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#Post#: 458--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 4, 2018, 2:24 am
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If you've been following recent discussion on the CSW folder
you'll know that I've taken the decision, in the face of
evidence, to tweak the Ki-43-I ADC so that the main production
model has a Firepower of 0. It seems that the twin-fifty version
of the dash-one was very rare, in part because of the poor
quality of the weapon and its exploding ammo.
#Post#: 540--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Elias Nordling Date: November 12, 2018, 2:09 pm
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The current rules encourages the player to go up to high level
on full throttle, then glide around until you find the bombers,
then attack them at full throttle, and disengage once you've run
out of fuel.
The way I understand them, the first part is right, but passes
on bombers were made in glide flight, in which it was considered
to handle itself well. The last fuel was used to get out of
trouble, and then it would land in a glide. Also, a significant
feature was a tendency to spontaneously combust, including in
this battle.
I'm thinking something like the following:
Perhaps skipping half throttle and only have full and no
throttle? Increase its dive bonus to +2 to show its good glide
abilities and perhaps up the no throttle speed to 6? With an 8
speed in a dive against a bomber, it becomes more attractive
than attacking at full throttle with speed 9 and high speed
effects.
#Post#: 542--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 13, 2018, 3:21 am
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Okay, so we're trying to reproduce actual Me 163 behaviour. Some
thoughts:
(a) The full throttle speed is based on real numbers, but the
glide and half-throttle speeds are arbitrary. We can make them
whatever we want.
(b) The aircraft seemed to have some kind of low-throttle mode,
but it might be the case that it was not tactically significant,
so I'm willing to entertain the idea of simplifying throttle to
two modes.
(c) The aircraft had--and I can't emphasize this enough--a
really tiny radius of action against B-17 raids. Pretty much 30
km max, so far as I can make out. Most of the Komet's fuel was
spent going up and less going slanty.
(d) Where the Me 163 was caught in a glide by P-51s the P-51s
beat them. The combat rating needs to be less than that of a
P-51.
(e) A full-throttle attack means the Komet attacks bombers at
+4, but with the high-speed halving.
(f) The question then becomes what we set the no-throttle combat
rating to. Setting to 8 in a dive (as opposed to the current 6
in a dive) means an attack at +4 with no high-speed effects. But
this would make the Me 163 deadly in a fight with P-51 escorts.
(g) So I favour leaving the no-throttle number as-is. In a dive
it will attack laden bombers at +3 with no high speed effects,
but is still slow enough that a P-51 in a dive has a +2
advantage against it.
#Post#: 543--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Elias Nordling Date: November 13, 2018, 3:35 am
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[quote](g) So I favour leaving the no-throttle number as-is. In
a dive it will attack laden bombers at +3 with no high speed
effects, but is still slow enough that a P-51 in a dive has a +2
advantage against it.[/quote]
Those numbers feel right. Don't forget the Komets always come in
flights, however, so they might need another +1, perhaps upping
the glide speed to 6.
And an optional rule for spontaneous combustion would be nice!
#Post#: 544--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 13, 2018, 3:45 am
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Hmmm. . . fair point on the flights.
#Post#: 545--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 13, 2018, 8:01 am
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So the proposed list of changes for the Me 163:
(a) ADC & Rules: Remove the half throttle option.
(b) Rules: Reduce fuel points to 3. Fuel expenditure each turn
is 1 for full throttle and 0 for No throttle.
(c) ADC: Increase Speed/Turn for No Throttle from 5 to 6.
That's it.
Any thoughts?
#Post#: 547--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Elias Nordling Date: November 13, 2018, 8:21 am
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4 fuel points and no exception for the first turn would make the
rule even cleaner.
#Post#: 548--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 13, 2018, 10:06 am
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Maybe, but then I have to add another rule stating that the Me
163 must select Full Throttle on the turn of takeoff. I'll take
a look at this at the weekend.
#Post#: 549--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: Elias Nordling Date: November 13, 2018, 10:25 am
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If there is no half throttle and you have to dive at no
throttle, I think that becomes kind of obvious.
#Post#: 550--------------------------------------------------
Re: ADCs
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 13, 2018, 11:10 am
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I think it's one of those things you have to be explicit about.
The problem is that when taking off you just place your flight
counter on the map. Without an explicit rule saying 'you must
select your throttle and expend fuel on this take-off turn' many
people will ignore it, treat the take-off as free and the fourth
fuel point as a bonus.
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