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#Post#: 115--------------------------------------------------
Transit into flying bombing profile
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 15, 2018, 6:30 am
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Trying the problematic Desperate Improvisation scenario again, I
parse the rules carefully to find out exactly how a
Fighter-Bomber can move when going into Bombing Profile during
the turn. The rules are clear that when flying a profile, you
move by the profile restrictions, and on a turn not flying a
profile, you move under the restrictions of 15.2.1.
Specifically, I was looking for an answer to the following
question: If I don't start the turn flying a bombing profile,
can I that turn utilize the one level altitude change allowed in
15.2.1, then go into profile and follow that profile for the
rest of the movement. I would expect the answer to be yes, but
I'm not sure.
However, when I read 15.2.1, it says "Ignore restrictions (a) to
(c) in any Movement Phase in which they fly, or commence flying,
a bombing profile".
This essentially means, If I start flying a bombing profile that
turn, I get free movement, no restrictions, before entering the
profile.
In addition to being not what I expected, I can see how this can
be abused. Not so much by bombers with their 2 MP:s as with
Fighter-Bombers that can get 3-4 MP:s per turn. Since you can
stop flying a profile at any time, you could just declare that
you're starting a bombing profile given that there is a ground
target within range on your last MP just to get free movement.
#Post#: 116--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 15, 2018, 6:55 am
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As I recall, the 15.2.1 rule addition you quoted was included to
ease the restrictions on diving in a turn where the profile
began.
As regards abuse, yes you're right it could be abused. I'm not
sure what could be done to prevent that, other than adding a
'it's not in the spirit of the rules' note.
Hmmm. Need to think on this. I'm open to suggestions, however.
#Post#: 135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: Gordon Christie Date: September 15, 2018, 1:51 pm
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How about limiting squadrons to one profile per turn (change to
15.3 3rd para which permits changing a profile at any time) &
allowing only one target to be designated in a turn. This would
allow movement in a bombing profile to be restricted such that
each MP must take the bomber closer to the target or, perhaps
less restrictively, that a loaded bomber must end its move
closer to the designated target than it was when it commenced
the profile?
Tying a bombing profile to a designated target & preventing
changes in target during a turn would seem to constrain bomber
movement significantly.
Cheers
Gordon
#Post#: 136--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 15, 2018, 2:15 pm
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Does that resolve the problem? My impression of Elias's
complaint is that he can trigger a profile, and gain some
freedom of movement until he switches it off. He doesn't need to
do this more than once a turn, so the restrictions you outline
would not prevent this.
#Post#: 226--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 26, 2018, 1:58 am
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Still not sure what to do on this. I had a couple of attempts
this morning at writing a sidebar that said 'don't abuse this
freedom', but bringing attention to the problem only seems to
make it worse.
#Post#: 229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 26, 2018, 2:06 am
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"The purpose of this rule is to allow a bomber to find the right
altitude before starting its profile. Changing altitude and
start a profile only to abort it later for the sole purpose of
getting a free altitude change would be considered against the
spirit of the rules."
#Post#: 232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 26, 2018, 3:00 am
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Here's another possible wording:
Bombing Mission Altitude Changes. We permit bomber squadrons a
limited ability to change altitude so they can find the right
altitude before starting their bombing profile.
These limits are relaxed when flying a profile. A squadron that
starts a profile only to abort it later for the sole purpose of
being freed from movement restrictions would be considered
against the spirit of the rules.
#Post#: 803--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: Elias Nordling Date: January 8, 2019, 2:29 am
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I just realized rule 15.2.1 allows you to negate cloud modifiers
a lot of the time. For example, dive bombers could dive like a
rock, but only initiate the profile in the last square, which
means they could get through clouds on the way not affecting the
bombing.
Is this intentional?
#Post#: 804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: pilotofficerprune Date: January 8, 2019, 4:10 am
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That doesn't sound correct.
In the second edition, rule 15.3 specifies that you must
designate the target and the profile you are flying. That is the
point you commence flying the profile.
When dive bombing you cannot designate the the target unless you
are at altitude 2 to 10. You must be at altitude 1 to dive-bomb.
So you could certainly initiate the dive-bombing at altitude 2
then dive to altitude 1 and attack. However, this would incur
the no-aim penalty.
It occurs to me that the rules need clarifying that aiming must
take place *during the flight of the profile*, but other than
that I don't think you can avoid the cloud modifiers easily.
#Post#: 805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transit into flying bombing profile
By: Elias Nordling Date: January 8, 2019, 4:54 am
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It's the "Ignore restrictions (a) to (c) in any Movement Phase
in which they fly, or commence flying, a bombing profile".
Specifically, I'm playing Meridian I and my opponent has climbed
to Altitude 9 with his Avengers. I have a hunch that he, on the
turn of bombing, plans to dive vertical for 2,5 MP to just under
the cloud layer and THEN declare that he is commencing his steep
angle profile. As far as I can tell, it is completely legal by
the rules, but it doesn't feel right. I mentioned before that I
was uncomfortable with the free movement before profile for
other reasons, and this is another one.
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