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#Post#: 238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 27, 2018, 5:26 am
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With generic maps and units, there is always a risk of sameness
kicking in with too many scenarios. I'm reminded of Panzer
Grenadier, that could make a box with 50 scenarios about the
Ardennes, haf of them almost identical. "Add a mortar unit and
pretend the village is now St Vith".
I think Wing Leader has proven to be surprisingly resilient to
this, subtle modifications can make a lot of difference, but I'm
happy that we are steering clear of "This is the same raid
except with Spitfires intercepting instead of Hurricane"
scenario types.
I guess what I'm saying is, keep up the good work :-)
#Post#: 239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 27, 2018, 6:25 am
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The nice thing with Javier's scenarios is that he's trying to
tell a story, with reference to some of the highlights of the
Civil War. As a result there's a LOT of material here and it's
going to be difficult to pick stuff to leave out, because you
want to preserve that narrative.
#Post#: 240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: JoeKundlak Date: September 27, 2018, 11:54 am
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Maybe you can split the narrative, put Part 1 into the 3rd
expansion and Part 2 into a freely available download, released
after the expansion is out for some time?
#Post#: 243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 27, 2018, 12:46 pm
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It's more complex than that, as it is linked in with ADcC and
countermix. Those are the major limits on the ability to publish
scenarios.
#Post#: 263--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 29, 2018, 4:07 am
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Okay, I’ve spreadsheeted my 28 scenario shortlist.
If those 28 scenarios, 3 of those are ‘hybrid’, which means it
also required ownership of Blitz to play. I am okay with a
verrrrry small number of scenarios being hybrids, but as few as
possible.
(1) I’ve budgeted 32 ADC slots and I currently require 38
(overbudget by 6)
(2) I’ve budgeted 140 1x0.5” counters and I currently require
133 (underbudget by 7)
The underbudget on the counters is not necessarily a good thing,
because:
(a) From experience this is tight and I don’t yet know if new
requirements will appear that will have to be accomodated. I
usually desire more slack than this.
(b) I may need to set some counters aside for mini-campaign
markers and suchlike. Until I see Gordon’s mini-campaign I won’t
know what extras may be needed.
(c) If I can add 12 counters, I can de-hybridise one of the
hybrid scenarios (in a scenario I call 'the Finnish scenario'),
reducing the number of hybrids to 2. (This would also permit me
to artwork early DB-3s with the blunt nose, so it would be a
twofer)
FYI, the current list of 38 ADCs is as follows. Where marked
(v2.0) they indicate an updated Blitz ADC. The colourised ones
at the bottom do not feature in any of the Origins scenarios.
SB (v2.0)
I-15
I-16 Type 5 (v2.0)
R-5
Ki-27b (v2.0)
A5M4
D1A
E8N
Ki-30
G3M2
P.11C
P.23B
P.37B
BF2C Goshawk/ Hawk III
P-26/Boeing 281
A-17A/ 8A-3N
CW-21B Interceptor
B-339D Buffalo
CR.32
Ro.37
SM.81
He 46
He 51B
Bf 109D/ B
Do 17E
He 111B
B-534
D.XXI
G.I
T.V
I-153 (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
MiG-3 (v2.0)
I-16 Type 24 (v2.0)
DB-3F (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
Re.2001 Falco II (v2.0)
P-39D (v2.0)
LeO 451 (v2.0)
Bre 693 (v2.0)
#Post#: 264--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 29, 2018, 4:20 am
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So, looking at the ADCs, what can I lose to bring this
in-budget?
I have a Raid on Nanking scenario that would lose me the D1A,
E8N and P-26 ADCs straight off the bat. Then there’s a scenario
on Ypenburg that would lose me the A-17 ADC. That leaves me with
two more to lose.
There’s a possible couple of Spanish scenarios that could be
either modified or dropped. One involves the He 46, another the
SM.81. There;’s another curious option, which would drop an
extension of one of the Dutch scenarios and lose us the Fokker
T.V.
If we were to drop the He 46 and T.V, we get down to this list
of 32 ADCs:
SB (v2.0)
I-15
I-16 Type 5 (v2.0)
R-5
Ki-27b (v2.0)
A5M4
[s]D1A[/s]
[s]E8N[/s]
Ki-30
G3M2
P.11C
P.23B
P.37B
BF2C Goshawk/ Hawk III
[s]P-26/Boeing 281[/s]
[s]A-17A/ 8A-3N[/s]
CW-21B Interceptor
B-339D Buffalo
CR.32
Ro.37
SM.81
[s]He 46[/s]
He 51B
Bf 109D/ B
Do 17E
He 111B
B-534
D.XXI
G.I
[s]T.V[/s]
I-153 (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
MiG-3 (v2.0)
I-16 Type 24 (v2.0)
DB-3F (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
Re.2001 Falco II (v2.0)
P-39D (v2.0)
LeO 451 (v2.0)
Bre 693 (v2.0)
In terms of counters, this also reduced the manifest by 8
counters, bringing us down to 15 underbudget. This gives me just
enough slack that I could, in theory, de-hybridize the Finnish
scenario and be left with a slack of 3 counters.
#Post#: 265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 29, 2018, 4:26 am
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If I go with the plan above, I end up with something like 25
scenarios, plus whatever is needed for Gordon's Malta
mini-campaign.
Page breakdown is:
3 pp cover and inside front page
25 pp scenarios
That gives us 28 pages in total. I'm not yet sure if this will
be a 32-, 36- or 40-page book.
In terms of other assets, we would have:
4 x ADC sheets (32 ADCs total)
1 x countersheet (140 1x0.5" counters)
There is yet another option, which would be to go with 5 x ADC
sheets and keep, instead of drop, the indicated aircraft. That's
a lot more work, and tighter on the countermix.
#Post#: 266--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 29, 2018, 4:56 am
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Okay, so let’s examine going with five ADC sheets instead of
four, assuming that GMT are okay with that. What does that give
us?
Well, it means we can have all the scenarios we have so far,
plus we get two more ADC slots to fill. What to fill with?
(1) One of the Czech counterfactual scenarios is currently set
to use German He 51s. However, these can be recast as AR 68s—a
generationally similar aircraft. (Counter overhead = 0)
(2) I rejigged the Khalkin Gol scenario so that it did not
require Br.20s in Japanese colours. The BR.20s could be
reinstated. (Counter overhead = 1)
(3) One of the scenarios I shaved off the pile includes the He
70 as a bomber. (Counter overhead = 1, scenarios +1)
(4) One of the Spanish scenarios I have not laid out (because
it’s a tad on the small side, but viable) that would involve
adding the He 112. (Counter overhead = 1, scenarios +1)
So basically I could choose from any two of these options and
experience a countersheet overhead no more than two additional
counters and two more scenarios.
FYI, I have a couple of scenarios in the package that are
currently Battle of Britain scenarios that are nice to haves,
but require no new ADCs/counters and are simply nice-to-haves.
These could be easily dropped to make space for two new
scenarios should we want.
#Post#: 267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 29, 2018, 12:59 pm
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Okay, shuffling some stuff around, we have the following:
Book (36-40pp, TBD. Includes 29pp of scenarios plus Gordon’s
mini-campaign)
5 x ADC sheets (40 ADCs in total)
1 x countersheet (140 1x0.5" counters)
If I take the options for the BR.20 and He 112 ADCs, I get this
list of 40:
SB (v2.0)
I-15
I-16 Type 5 (v2.0)
R-Z
Ki-27b (v2.0)
A5M4
D1A
E8N
Ki-30
G3M2
P.11C
P.23B
P.37B
BF2C Goshawk/ Hawk III
P-26/Boeing 281
A-17A/ 8A-3N
CW-21B Interceptor
B-339D Buffalo
CR.32
Ro.37
SM.81
BR.20
He 46
He 51B
Bf 109D/ B
Do 17E
He 111B
He 112
B-534
D.XXI
G.I
T.V
I-153 (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
MiG-3 (v2.0)
I-16 Type 24 (v2.0)
DB-3F (v2.0) ‡ appears in Finnish scenario
Re.2001 Falco II (v2.0)
P-39D (v2.0)
LeO 451 (v2.0)
Bre 693 (v2.0)
On the countersheets, it would be nice to accommodate two more
counters (for an extra SM.79 in Nationalist colours and a Ju 87A
flight counter) so that we could publish one of the Javier’s
largest scenarios (not yet laid out). With the two counters
needed for the BR.20 in Japanese colours and the He 112 flight,
that brings us to 137 counters out of 140. It leaves us only
three counters as slack, which is VERY tight!
That would be a really fat package of stuff.
However, it leaves us in good shape, so that should we want to
publish more scenarios, say in C3i magazine, we would not have
to worry about ADCs, only the counters we need.
#Post#: 270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Leader: Origins (Expansion 3)
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 30, 2018, 12:28 am
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Just for the sake of the discussion, would the material be able
to work as two stand alone products,one for the Spanish Civil
War and one for the other early war stuff, perhaps with some
loose campaign system for the SCW? Or is there a lot of counter
overlap between the SCW and the other early war stuff?
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