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#Post#: 7027--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: Okmed Date: November 28, 2020, 9:51 pm
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Scenario: S29 Kursk Counterattack
Version: v1.1
Player(s): Dave Demko (solo)
Narrative: The Germans optimized their setup and made good use
of the auto-tally, hunting from cloud, and the Soviet large
formation to set up good initial attacks. One German squadron
split. The Soviets responded with one successful escort reaction
and one late, followed by two lucky rolls to force two
dogfights. That kept the interceptors off the IL-2ms a bit and
avoided the requirement to use rigid doctrine. Still, the
Soviets took heavy-looking air-to-air losses. Being able to drag
the interceptors away from the bombers a bit helped. The unsplit
squadron never did catch up with bomber stream after winning its
dogfight.
Results: Soviet for bombers exited 12 VP
Soviets for killed Germans 4 VP
Germans for killed Soviets 15 VP
net -1 Soviet victory with a decent margin
I'd almost be tempted to call this a draw considering the
high-looking Soviet aircraft losses. However, the Soviets did
good bomber-protection work, so they deserved a win.
Recommendations: This looks like the cliche of Germans high
efficiency against Soviet bludgeooning brute force, but each
side has some interesting options. With some good dice the
Soviets were able to finese their initially disadvantageous
situation. I was happily surprised about how interesting the
scenario is, especially for the Soviet side. No opinion about
balance yet because of the variations possible in the Germans'
opening position, but I can see close decisions are possible.
#Post#: 7030--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: pilotofficerprune Date: November 29, 2020, 6:51 am
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Okay, I'm making the changes to victory levels and adding in the
proposed special rule on German cohesion.
#Post#: 7042--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: Okmed Date: November 30, 2020, 9:52 am
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Scenario: S29 Kursk Counterattack
Version: v1.2
Player(s): Dave Demko (solo)
Narrative: The Soviets enjoyed one successful and two late
escort reactions. The Germans split both squadrons, attacked
with three, and held one above for clean-up duty. Two German
flights had broken in GT 1 without scoring any hits, let alone
kills. The other two flights diced the crap out of the Soviets,
shooting up undefended bombers once the Soviet fighters broke.
One German flight passed all of its cohesion rolls, leading to
the high number of kills on the IL-2m squadrons and the reduced
VPs, since it single-handedly broke all three bombers.
Results:
Soviets: exited bombers 3 VP
Soviets killed Germans 2 VP
Germans killed Soviets 16, only one of them fighters
net -11 for a crushing German victory
Felt like a crushing German victory because of the broken and
shot-down bombers. Exciting though because it started badly for
the Germans and both sides had to apply some tactical finesse.
Recommendations: The Germans can react to wherever the Soviets
put the Yak-7B with rear view, so consider letting the Soviets
set up second. That gives a bit more incentive for the Soviets
to try tallying on turn 1. Staying on escort missions might make
more sense, but the Soviets might make use of one squadron
tallying the interceptors. It's an option, anyway.
This little scenario is clearly luck-sensitive and swingy, but
even though it started looking like a German disaster, it turned
out to be fun even as the Germans reversed their fortunes. The
Soviets do have some tactical options, mainly in the first two
moves as they hope to avoid fighting with rigid doctrine. After
that the Soviets' choices are more clear-cut: try for dogfights.
This scenario might have limited replayability once a player
thinks he has solved the German approach. But there might be
more than one solution, branching from the initial three
gambits: split both squadrons, split one, or keep both together.
#Post#: 7106--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: Forrest Speck Date: December 7, 2020, 1:55 pm
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S29
v 1.2 (game 1 this version)
Solo
Soviet vet in 7B which is the trailing escort, green in lead
escort.
BOMBING- 10 vp (1 exited ok, 1 disrupted and 1 broken)
LOSSES- 5 x Yak7B
3 x Yak7
6 x Sturm
14 vp
3 x FW190
3 vp
VICTORY- 13-14 for -1 for a German victory, felt like a bigger
German victory.
Germans had good cohesion and loss rolls. Felt
right, Germans need to score big to win.
Game 2 to follow.
#Post#: 7107--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: Forrest Speck Date: December 7, 2020, 1:59 pm
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S 29
v 1.2 (Game 2)
BOMBING- 2 exited ok, 1 exited disrupted.
13 vp
LOSSES- 4 x FW190
4 VP
2 x Yak 7
2 x Yak 7B
7 x Sturm
11 vp
VICTORY- 17-11, for +6 vp a Soviet victory. Felt like Soviet
victory as the Sturms held up pretty well.
I've had a German and Soviet victory in the last 2 plays,
feels balanced to me.
#Post#: 7114--------------------------------------------------
Re: S29 Kursk Counterattack
By: pilotofficerprune Date: December 8, 2020, 1:51 pm
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So, let's add in the last four plays:
Exit VP: 15 + 0 + 15 + 13 + 10 + 15 + 8 + 12 + 3 + 10 + 2 = mean
9.1
Soviet victories: 3 + 5 + 1 + 5 + 0 + 0 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 4 =
mean 2.8
German victories: 13 + 26 + 6 + 12 + 20 + 4 + 11 + 15 + 16 + 14
+ 11 = mean 13.4
Mean results are -1.5, suggesting a lean to the Germans, but I
think we can bear this. Results are:
A&G 1 = +5 (Soviet victory)
A&G 2 = -21 (German victory)
Elias 1 = +16 (Soviet victory)
Elias 2 = +6 (Soviet victory)
Forrest 1 = -10 (German victory)
Forrest 2 = +11 (Soviet victory)
Forrest 3 = +1 (Draw)
Dave 1 = +1 (Draw)
Dave 2 = -11 (German victory)
Forrest 1 = -1 (German victory)
Forrest 2 = +6 (Soviet victory)
With a W/L for the Soviets of 5W 2D 4D, I'm declaring this one
done and would like to move Dave and Forrest on to S13
Plastering Ploesti.
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