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       S34 Counterblow
       By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 2, 2020, 5:20 am
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       This is a thread stub.
       #Post#: 6471--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: Gordon Christie Date: August 22, 2020, 6:12 am
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       Andrew (LW) & I have now had 2 runs through this & are happy
       that it works straight out of the box, unmodified.
       First run:
       Note: II/JG1 have no radio net
       RAF 13 Halifaxes lost 3 Mustangs but only 1 disrupted bomber sqn
       LW 12 fighters losses
       LW definitely had the better of the combat & cohesion rolls,
       compensated  to some degree by unusually good bomber cohesion in
       the face of heavy losses. Mustang combat rolls were dreadful.
       Comfortable LW victory-which it felt like, though asymmetrical
       dice rolls drove the outcome. Consequently we ran it again
       unmodified.
       VP
       LW +42 kills---> +42
       RAF 33 exit +12 kills---> +45
       Run 2:
       RAF 7 bombers lost 6 Mustangs lost 1 disrupted , 1 broken bomber
       on exit +27
       LW 24 losses
       Exit +27
       RAF +51
       LW +27
       Nett +24
       
       Draw-felt right.
       Overall LW slightly better luck with dice but tight up to the
       end. Without some skilful manoeuvring against the trailing
       bomber squadron by the last unbroken LW fighter squadron (with
       Alan at the helm, having an uncharacteristically good day) which
       netted 2 Halifax kills & a broken result against only 1 Fw190
       loss for an 8VP swing this would just have gone the RAF's way.
       The VP threshold is (probably) about right. We felt this one
       works at alpha unchanged. Like Bomber Command it gets RAF
       heavies into the game & gives Mustang IIIs another outing. It is
       an interesting contrast to Bomber command with plenty of high
       firepower 190s at an altitude where they are comfortable (unlike
       some of the 8th AF scenarios where the 190s are getting slightly
       unhappy higher up) so fits the meta narrative well.
       Cheers
       Gordon
       #Post#: 6535--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: pilotofficerprune Date: August 30, 2020, 3:18 am
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       Elias, when you are ready to pass Tip and Run to Gordon and
       Andrew, can you please do a pass on this?
       #Post#: 6552--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: Elias Nordling Date: September 4, 2020, 2:04 am
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       v0.2
       Player: Elias Nordling (solo)
       The tally rolls of the first two turns were low on both sides.
       This had the effect that two veteran FW190 flights were able to
       slip into the bomber stream unmolested. This became a pattern of
       the game, where the British had trouble parrying the German
       attacks on the bombers. There was some real bad British luck,
       like extremely low escort reaction rolls and lots of 1s on the
       kill rolls, but I'm not certain they were enough to qualify as
       an outlier. The result, anyway, was that the Germans got in a
       lot of attacks on the bombers with some real results to show for
       it. In the end, British and German fighters ran out at about the
       same time. I put heavy guns on a Green BF109, but that turned
       out to not be such a good idea, as it was unable to hit
       anything.
       Final score:
       British: Exit 24, 17 German fighters: 41
       German: 11 bombers, 4 Mustangs: 37
       TOTAL 4 MASSIVE GERMAN WIN
       Felt like: British disaster.
       Comment: I need to play this one again to see if this was an
       outlier. On one hand, it was a fun, tense game. On the other
       hand, it felt a bit like alt-history, with the Germans scoring a
       massive win in this way. I know we shouldn't stare ourselves
       blind at the historical outcome, but the difference here between
       game and aftermath was especially jarring. After all, we're
       talking about a disaster of a kind that the British didn't
       suffer at all during the war.
       #Post#: 6553--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 4, 2020, 2:41 am
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       I don’t mind about the losses so much. But yes, if this is not
       an outlier I’d be concerned.
       #Post#: 6555--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: Elias Nordling Date: September 4, 2020, 1:09 pm
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       v0.2
       Player: Elias Nordling (solo)
       This game swung the other direction. Partly because the Mustangs
       were able to intercept the Luftwaffe veterans before they had a
       chance to split. Since they didn't have tactical flexibility,
       that means they never got the chance later.
       Still, the Luftwaffe got through to the bombers and got a decent
       number of attacks in, 7 total, before being chased away.
       Final score:
       British: Exit 33, 18 fighters: 51
       Germans: 6 bombers, 5 fighters: 23
       TOTAL: 28
       British victory
       Felt like: British win
       Comment: This one felt it wen't the British way, though not by
       as much as the previous game went the German way. I feel the
       British might need a small boost. The easiest way to do that
       would be to add another veteran, though I'm not sure how much
       that helps. Combined with increased split limit, it would make a
       real difference, but that would att 2 more Mustang Flights to
       the counters needed. My recommendation is to add a British
       veteran and let the beta players decide if more fine calibration
       is needed. It sure is good fun as it is.
       #Post#: 6556--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 4, 2020, 2:35 pm
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       Roger that. I'll add a British veteran and call it Alpha.
       #Post#: 6582--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: Okmed Date: September 13, 2020, 10:52 am
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       Scenario: S34 Counterblow
       Version: v0.2
       Players: Dave Demko (solo)
       Narrative: The Bf 109s stayed clean (no gun pods) with the task
       of tying up the Mustangs, while the Fw 190s went for the
       bombers. They did not carry AAR, though I'll try that next
       runthrough. One Focke Wulf wing went for the bombers from below.
       Maybe they should have settled for a head-on run, because the
       escorts both made successful reactions. The lead bombers were
       beat up (4 losses and broken), but otherwise the British were
       effective in keeping the interceptors away. Air combat was
       bloody, with five instances of a natural 11 or 12 on the Air
       Combat Table rolls. The British split one squadron, and both of
       those flights eventually broke. One Green German squadron broke
       without taking losses. The Brits blew one flight of Fw 190s out
       of the sky completely before it had a chance to fail a cohesion
       check.
       Results: bombers exited 31 + German fighters killed 19 = Brit
       total 50
       bombers killed 12 + British fighters killed 7 = German total 19
       Net +31 comfortable British victory
       Recommendations:  The outcome, a non-blowout British victory, is
       appropriate: Except for the lead squadron, the British did a
       good job of defending the bombers. Too early to say anything
       about balance, but the question I'll be looking at is how well
       the Germans can do against the bombers. Clobbering one bomber
       squadron was good work, but insufficient. I have some ideas for
       German tactics (AAR, head-on attacks, and keeping the Fw 190s
       back a bit).
       #Post#: 6592--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 14, 2020, 2:22 am
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       Is it too early to have any thoughts on victory levels?
       #Post#: 6593--------------------------------------------------
       Re: S34 Counterblow
       By: Okmed Date: September 14, 2020, 8:47 am
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       [quote author=Lee Brimmicombe-Wood
       link=topic=176.msg6592#msg6592 date=1600068171]
       Is it too early to have any thoughts on victory levels?
       [/quote]
       The British win at net +31 seemed right. In my playing, the
       British did very well at their objective, protecting the
       bombers, while the Germans had mixed results pursuing their
       objectives.
       I'm in the middle of another go-through which may show better
       German results. At one point some Fw 190s got a stand-off AAR
       shot at some unaccompanied bombers. The actual result, thanks to
       a couple natural 1 rolls, was one bomber loss (3 VP). But it
       should have been 3 losses (9 VP). Once I get through this one,
       we'll be on our way to seeing how well the Germans need to
       perform to win. Let's be on the watch for swingy results. A good
       attack on a bomber squadron can have a big payoff. Then again, a
       successful escort reaction against might send a Green German
       squadron home after one turn. Both sides are motivated to
       attempt dogfights in different circumstances. So overall, a few
       key dice rolls can have major effects on how this one plays out.
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