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#Post#: 4779--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 15, 2020, 1:48 pm
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I don't see the word before in the wording above. I assumed you
first spend the mp, then move, so a MP spent to move from a
position not in the sun to one in the sun did not count.
On the other hand, bh the same reasoning, I counted the MP spent
to enter the target square, so the net effect should be more or
less the same. More or less.
#Post#: 4780--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 15, 2020, 2:02 pm
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The fact that Elias was baffled by this is testament to the need
to incorporate a fix. However, is the proposed fix enough? Could
it be done better?
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Re: In the Sun
By: Al Cannamore Date: March 15, 2020, 11:58 pm
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[quote author=Elias Nordling link=topic=159.msg4779#msg4779
date=1584298095]
I don't see the word before in the wording above. I assumed you
first spend the mp, then move, so a MP spent to move from a
position not in the sun to one in the sun did not count.
On the other hand, bh the same reasoning, I counted the MP spent
to enter the target square, so the net effect should be more or
less the same. More or less.
[/quote]
(2) It spent at least two Movement Points (MPs) in the Sun arc
immediately before entering the target’s square. (MPs spent
actually entering the target’s square do not count towards this
total.) The MPs can be spent moving, staying in the same square,
or changing facing, but must be spent in the same Movement
Phase.
Does that change your interpretation Elias? Sometimes I skip
over a key word even though I’ve read the rule a dozen times.
Don’t know if that’s happening here.
#Post#: 4785--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: March 16, 2020, 12:59 am
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[quote author=Lee Brimmicombe-Wood
link=topic=159.msg4762#msg4762 date=1584269009]
Reviewing feedback on the v2.2 rules, I'm considering adding
this underlined text to the 4.6.2 'In the Sun' rule:
(2) It spent at least two Movement Points (MPs) in the Sun arc
immediately before entering the target’s square. (MPs spent
actually entering the target’s square do not count towards this
total.) The MPs can be spent moving, staying in the same square,
or changing facing, but must be spent in the same Movement
Phase.
[/quote]
How about simply rewording the proposed change to:
(MPs spent to enter the target square do not count toward this
total.)
This way we don’t care whether the MPs are spent before, after,
or during the actual fact of moving the counter... Would this
take care of your issue, Elias?
#Post#: 4789--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 16, 2020, 1:45 am
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[quote]Sometimes I skip over a key word even though I’ve read
the rule a dozen times. Don’t know if that’s happening here.
[/quote]
It was. But it seems to me this whole thing sidesteps the whole
basic question. We have a game mechanic that is reliant on
movement points being spent in certain squares, but no crystal
clear definition of where a MP is spent when you move between
two squares.
As far as I can tell, this is the ONLY game mechanic reliant on
the number of MP spent in specific squares. The closest is the
barrage rules, that manage to sidestep this by using entering or
circling instead. So maybe that is the better solution? Instead
of the current rule, why not make it that you need to have
entered at least two squares in the sun, with each MP spent
circling in the arc counting as one addirtional square?
I think this would solve the problem without having to define if
the first move into the arc counts, the final move into the
target square counts, defining when exactly a MP is spent (which
would have to be in a different rule, increasing the flipping).
#Post#: 4790--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 16, 2020, 2:33 am
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Hmmm. That does sound like a good solution, Elias, and certainly
clearner than the current proposal. Let me take a close look at
the text later today.
#Post#: 4793--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 16, 2020, 4:57 am
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How about this as a specimen text for 4.6.2:
(1) It entered the target square from a square in the Sun arc.
(2) In the Movement Phase that it enters the target square it
also enters two squares that are in the Sun arc. Each MP spent
circling in the Sun arc counts as an additional square entered.
#Post#: 4794--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 16, 2020, 5:14 am
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It might be even clearer if (2 said) something like, just before
entering, it either moved through a second square in the sun or
circled in the square it entered from. But better worded :-)
#Post#: 4795--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 16, 2020, 6:42 am
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Hmmm. So you're suggesting something like this?
(1) It entered the target square from a square in the Sun arc.
(2) In the Movement Phase that it enters the target square it
also enters two squares that are in the Sun arc. Alternatively,
it enters one square in the Sun arc and spends one or more MP
circling in that square before entering the target square.
#Post#: 4796--------------------------------------------------
Re: In the Sun
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 16, 2020, 7:51 am
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Something like that, except the first part of 2 makes me think
the square you enter the target from doesn't count. I think it
is the "also".
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