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#Post#: 5114--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: pilotofficerprune Date: April 24, 2020, 1:52 am
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Do we want the P-51Ds to have tac flex? Or do we assume it's
just splits that come from wing status and limit them to
something like 2 flights?
#Post#: 5115--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Elias Nordling Date: April 24, 2020, 2:49 am
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Doesn't matter much, so might as well give them tac fex. 2
splits seems right.
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Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Elias Nordling Date: April 25, 2020, 1:59 pm
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V0.3(modified)
Player: Elias Nordling (Solo)
This time it felt much better. The Bf 109s sill had trouble
stopping the escorts from interferring with the Me 410s, but I
played that the escorts had split limit 4. With a split limit of
2, I think it will be just right.
The Me 410s had some poor cohesion rolls early, but good combat
rolls, and improved cohesion rolls after being disrupted. In
all, I felt they probably performed over average. The reliief
Mustangs had some bad luck and broke off to pursue too early.
Oddly, the game ended with a single green Bf 109 suadron alone
with the bombers. It had failed all its tallies and been
vectored around to follow the pack. It made three passes against
weakened bomber suadrons, and managed to break two disrupted
suadrons and kill a bomber before breaking.
In all, I felt the Germans probably had a bit above average
luck, but a lower split rate for the escorts makes this outcome
more likely.
Score:
Germans: 21 bombers, 9 Mustangs: 72
US: Exit: 28, 9 Bf109, 9 Me410: 50,5
Total: 21,5
German victory
Felt like German victory
COMMENT: This felt like a well deserved German win. Possibly the
win score should go down a bit, but that's for further testing.
RECOMMENDATIONS: As per above, make the escorts 3 squadrons, set
US veterans to 3, limit the escorts to 1 veteran. Set the relief
force to 3 squadrons, have them enter at S rather than U, and
set split limits to 2 P51B and 2 P51D. With that, I think this
scenario is alpha ready.
#Post#: 5119--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: pilotofficerprune Date: April 25, 2020, 3:20 pm
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Okay, I shall drop the win score a fraction, alongside the other
recommendations.
Can I ask you to move onto L18 Fantastic Fives?
#Post#: 5124--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Elias Nordling Date: April 26, 2020, 12:10 am
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Will do!
#Post#: 5411--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Forrest Speck Date: May 13, 2020, 9:57 pm
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v.04- First game
Solo
Vet/experte in P=51B, 2 vets and experte with P-51D.
3 Greens in Me 109, 1 green in ME 410, all experten in 410's
Kitted the lower 3 squadrons with AAR
Lots of options for the Germans with vets and experten.
No height errors at start, one height error as I was trying to
vector a Me 109 closer to where relief squadrons come in.
I didn't want the Me 109's tying up the P-51B's, so I had 2 of
their squadrons underneath with 1 up top. I will switch this up
next time. I didn't split any Germans at all. Did split a
squadron each of the P-51's. Rockets weren't much help at all
and were probably a detriment after the rockets depleted with
the 1 column penalty it entails for columns. Will try without
them next game. Green Me 109's not much use with their firepower
of 1, but did work well by getting them into the same square as
410's attacking for the column shift and absorbing losses.
Assuming you can't get all of them to tie up P-51's.
BOMBERS exit- 21 (3 broken and 3 disrupted)
LOSSES- 4 x 109
11 x 410
20.5 points
20 x B-24
5 x P-51
65 points
Germans 65, USA 40.5 (+24.5- German victory)
Felt like German victory
Good scenario, some good decisions to be
made with placement of vets/greens and where to put the escorts.
Scoring looks close to being right on, although 2 less bomber
kills would have put this at a draw.
Will see if I can get game 2 in tomorrow.
#Post#: 5415--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Forrest Speck Date: May 14, 2020, 1:08 pm
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Game 2
v.04
Solo
Veteran and experte in P-51B (and a sterling
performance by this squadron went whole game without even
getting disrupted). Other vets and experte in P-51D's.
All greens in ME 109's. Veterans with the 410
gruppe that has the 2 heavy gun squadrons. Experten in 410's.
No AAR's this time (still thinking on what the
right play is for that).
No height errors.
LOSSES- 2 x 109
10 x 410
17 points
13 x B-24
1 x P-51
40 points
BOMBING- 31 points
SCORE- Americans 48, Germans 40 for -8 (American
victory) Felt like American victory, Germans didn't inflict
enough losses nor disrupt or break enough bomber formations.
The heavy gun is a beast. 9 out of the 13 B=24
losses were inflicted with them. The one P-51 squadron over
performed but that was balanced out by a P-51B squadron that
broke on first combat. I could have played Germans a little
better, manuevered 410's not equipped with heavy guns for
bounces as opposed to going straight in with head on attacks. I
think you need to make the bombers roll cohesion checks every
time you can as opposed to lining up the optimum attack.
I think this one is good as is, maybe reduce the
German threshold for victory a point or two, but that's it.
#Post#: 5417--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: pilotofficerprune Date: May 14, 2020, 2:30 pm
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Okay, so the last four playings had the following VP numbers:
US bomber losses - 18 + 63 + 60 + 39 = average 45.0
US fighter losses - 4 + 9 + 5 + 1 = average 4.75
German Bf 109 losses - 10 + 9 + 4 + 2 = average 6.25
Me 410 losses - 27 + 13.5 + 16.5 + 15 = average 18
US Exit VPs - 42 + 28 + 21 + 31 = average 30.5
These results swing a lot on exit VPs and bomber losses, but
gives us an average of -5.0
The results of the last four are:
Elias 1 = -50
Elias 2 = +21.5
Forrest 1 = + 24.5
Forrest 2 = -8
Looking at these results it’s clear the scenario is swingy, but
favours the Americans. It’s also clear the draw window needs to
be wide. I shall drop it to +1 to 8.5, which is a lot closer to
the mean.
I think we need more data on this scenario, but it’s time to
move Forrest off and get someone else to play.
Forrest, could you please move on to L05 Operation Retribution
and give me two plays?
#Post#: 5419--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Forrest Speck Date: May 14, 2020, 3:40 pm
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Sure thing
#Post#: 5809--------------------------------------------------
Re: L19 Wrath of the Destroyers
By: Forrest Speck Date: June 5, 2020, 2:29 pm
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v0.5
Solo
German greens in 109's. Vets in K12 wing, experten in n10
wing.
American vet in P-51B with experte, other 2 vets in P-51D
with an experte.
No height errors
BOMBING- 26 points (3 x clean, 2 x disrupted, 2 x broken, one
squadron was eliminated.
LOSSES- 25 x B-24 (10+ by the heavy gun squadrons alone)
2 x P-51
79 points
6 x 109
9 x 410
19.5 points
VICTORY- 79- 45.5 for +23.5 for a massive German victory-
felt like German victory
109's able to tie up all the P-51B's except for
one. A P-51 flight I split broke after first combat. The relief
P-51's tangled with the 410's without heavy guns as I was
thinking I could dispose of them quickly and get back to them
later. So the high German score is probably a reflection of good
German rolls with the heavy guns (4 B-24's in 1 combat) and a
tactical error on my part. I will run again as I want to see if
I can do better with the Americans.
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