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#Post#: 3090--------------------------------------------------
Flak barrages
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 12, 2019, 8:22 am
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An interesting rules interpretation just came up. Rule 14.2.2
says "In any Administration Phase, heavy and light flak units
can place or remove
a Barrage marker from the map."
This seems to indicate you can't MOVE a flak barrage in a turn,
you'd have to remove it first then have it placed the next
phase.
If that's the intention, please let me know right away because
then I've played it wrong all along :-)
#Post#: 3095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 13, 2019, 2:53 am
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It's a good question, because I'm now at the point where I can't
remember the original intent. I tend to place barrages and then
forget to move them. I'm going to have to sleep on this one and
try to remember what the original idea is.
In the meantime play it as you've been playing it.
#Post#: 3131--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: Peter_Wagner Date: September 17, 2019, 10:10 am
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I've always played that you can only do one or the other. Remove
or place a barrage. Makes barrages a little less effective as
they take some time to end and then setup again. Was a flak
barrage hard to coordinate vs simply "firing at the enemy." I
don't know anything about the history of AAA tactics, but I
would think that a barrage is harder to coordinate guns in a
flak battery to place an effective barrage then get them to stop
and refocus on another area. I would in favor of this Strict
following of the rules (in which you cannot move an existing
barrage without spending a turn to first remove it) because 1)
the rulebooks are going out this way as worded and 2) seems
logical to me.
Pete
#Post#: 3132--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 17, 2019, 10:18 am
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But there is then nothing in the rules preventing you from
firing direct fire in-between the barrages, which just seems
odd. Barrages are blind firing, which I assume is much easier to
execute than aimed fire.
#Post#: 3133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: Peter_Wagner Date: September 17, 2019, 10:55 am
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Correct I've always played it that in between barrage "tear
down" and "setup" the following turn you can direct fire. To me
it seems that Direct fire is easier since you wouldn't have to
coordinate with other flak pieces on altitude and area of attack
. . . just fire at what you can see. So while flak directors are
getting their orders for where to place new barrage, the crews
resort to a "fire at will" command. Makes sense in my head but
again I don't understand how flak batteries actually worked and
there may be something there that would completely throw out my
reasoning . . . but just saying.
Pete
#Post#: 3225--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: Peter_Wagner Date: September 27, 2019, 1:16 pm
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Lee, any thought on where we should go with this? Should we just
leave it up to the interpretation of players and their play
style? To me, as written, it is clearly stating that you cannot
both remove and place a barrage in the same admin phase (i.e.
re-position a barrage). Anyone else play it one way or the
other?
Pete
#Post#: 3232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: ScottKey Date: September 27, 2019, 6:10 pm
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I must admit that I have always played as Elias mentions:
placing barrages in the same turn they are removed. It just
never occurred to me to do otherwise ....
#Post#: 3451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: pilotofficerprune Date: October 17, 2019, 3:37 am
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Going back to this, I read the rule that placement is, well,
placement. You can remove a barrage marker or you can place it.
If you place it in a new location then that's fine.
#Post#: 3491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: pilotofficerprune Date: October 20, 2019, 6:28 am
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I will clarify this with a FAQ in the next errata. (Not the one
I posted up today.)
#Post#: 3571--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flak barrages
By: chief2000 Date: October 24, 2019, 11:40 am
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Speaking of flak barrages, the comment on the pic on page 37 has
always confused me. Exactly what does "stars continue up to
altitude 19" mean. Does this mean that within those junctions,
an aircraft can get hit at that altitude by flak? Barrage only
or does this apply to direct fire as well?
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