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#Post#: 1932--------------------------------------------------
Circling
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 27, 2019, 10:04 am
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I come back to the feeling that rule 8.3.1 causes all sorts of
confusion. Is there any way to clarify the rule text or
simplify?
The current text is:
A squadron does not have to expend MPs unless required to by its
mission [9.2]. A squadron that spends no MPs, or ends its move
by spending its remaining MPs in the same square, is still
considered to be moving. The squadron is said to be ‘circling’.
Mark it with a Circling marker.
Some mission behaviours instruct squadrons to circle [15.2.1,
15.2.2, 15.2.3]. This means that they don’t leave the square
they are circling in, though they may turn within that square
[8.1.1].
In essence the first paragraph is trying to tell players that
they can spend some, none or all its MPs. MPs spent in the same
square is called 'circling'.
The second notes that some mission behaviours encourage
circling, and what you can do when circling.
#Post#: 1933--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: Elias Nordling Date: February 27, 2019, 10:20 am
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I think the phrase "a square that spends no MP" is confusing.
Better say a square can spend MP:s without leaving the square.
This is called circling.
#Post#: 1937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 27, 2019, 11:08 am
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Okay, so what does the rule look like with this change?
A squadron does not have to expend MPs unless required to by its
mission [9.2]. A squadron can spend MPs without leaving the
square [8.3]; this is called ‘circling’.
Some mission behaviours instruct squadrons to circle [15.2.1,
15.2.2, 15.2.3]. Mark them with Circling markers. They don’t
leave the square they are circling in, though they may turn
within that square [8.1.1].
How does that look?
#Post#: 1938--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 27, 2019, 11:21 am
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For me, the first sentence remains problematic. How does it look
like when changed to this?
Unless required to spend a certain number of MPs by its mission
[9.2], a squadron can spend as many or few MPs as desired [9.2].
A squadron can also spend MPs without leaving the square [8.3];
this is called ‘circling’.
Some mission behaviours instruct squadrons to circle [15.2.1,
15.2.2, 15.2.3]. Mark them with Circling markers. They don’t
leave the square they are circling in, though they may turn
within that square [8.1.1].
Is that better?
#Post#: 1939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: Elias Nordling Date: February 27, 2019, 12:17 pm
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This seems to indicate that spending MPs to not move and not
spend MPs to remain in a square are two different things. To me,
the intuitive thing is that aircraft have to move their MPs to
avoid falling out of the sky, but those MPs can be spent without
leaving the square, which is called circling. That's basically
how I play it. I don't really see a need to allow the player not
spending all MPs.
#Post#: 1940--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: Vincent Lefavrais Date: February 27, 2019, 12:46 pm
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That's what I suggested back when I proofed the rules:
A squadron must spend all its MPs each turn. It's possible to
spend MPs without leaving the square (called 'circling').
Simple. But at this late point, wouldn't that risk opening a can
of worms with unintended ripples in the rulebook?
#Post#: 1941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: Elias Nordling Date: February 27, 2019, 12:49 pm
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Didn't we rewrite the flak barrage rules with this assumption?
#Post#: 1953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 28, 2019, 2:13 am
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The flak barrage rules kinda cover all circumstances:
14.2.3. As soon as a squadron finishes movement, check to see if
it entered, expended MPs turning in, or circled in, one or more
squares in a flak zone . . .
So the flak barrage rules are solid and can cope with any
change.
#Post#: 1954--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 28, 2019, 2:18 am
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I've been really resistant to the idea of cutting the 'player
has flexibility to spend as few MPs as they wish' rule, because
I like the flexibility. So what would happen if we did cut, and
changed 8.3.1 to:
A squadron must spend all its MPs each turn. However, it can
spend MPs without leaving the square [8.3]; this is called
‘circling’.
Some mission behaviours instruct squadrons to circle [15.2.1,
15.2.2, 15.2.3]. Mark them with Circling markers. They don’t
leave the square they are circling in, though they may turn
within that square [8.1.1].
Are there any ripple effects elsewheer? I can't think of any,
but it would be good to look.
#Post#: 1955--------------------------------------------------
Re: Circling
By: Elias Nordling Date: February 28, 2019, 2:26 am
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I like that better. The more I think of it, the messier the
current rule seems. You can circle either by spending MP:s in a
square or NOT spend MP:s in a square but they are functionally
identical. And they HAVE to be, or players would go "No, I moved
my sweep 1 square but I didn't circle, I just didn't spend all
my MPs".
If I see a rule like that the first time I read a rulebook, it
immediately sends me thinking "what's the implication of being
both able to not spend all MPs and spending them circling? What
am I missing?"
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