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Wing Formations
By: Peter_Wagner Date: February 8, 2019, 8:28 am
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Does/Should a Sweep Wing Formation "break up" when it begins a
Strafing Profile? In scenario O25, I am having the high-altitude
sweep wing use a strafe profile. After their first movement of
that profile (descending) they rolled a successful tally on a
Soviet squadron . . . can the wing leader issue an order? Or is
the wing already broken up?
Pete
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Re: Wing Formations
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 8, 2019, 9:01 am
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That's a really good question. I think that squadrons should
leave the wing if strafing. Maybe we need a rule to state that a
squadron leaves a wing on commencing a bombing profile.
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Re: Wing Formations
By: pilotofficerprune Date: February 9, 2019, 6:49 am
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I have changed the 9.5.2 definition of wing formation so that in
addition to not having a tally they must not have commenced a
bombing profile.
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Re: Wing Formations
By: pilotofficerprune Date: June 25, 2020, 1:54 am
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There seems to be a rule that whenever I’m about to make a major
rule release there’s a last-minute scramble to make changes.
There was a query yesterday on the run of rules 9.5.2 to 9.5.4
that showed an inconsistency in the way wing break-ups are
handled. I’m considering the following changes to bring this in
line. This basically moves the wing break-up rule from 9.5.3 to
9.5.2 and then only mentions the mission-specific changes in
9.5.3/9.5.4. How does this alternative look to you?
9.5.2 Wing Formation
Fighter squadrons assigned to a wing are in the wing when they:
(a) Are either the wing leader’s squadron or in formation with
it. Squadrons do not have to be in or adjacent to the wing
leader’s square, merely in the same formation [9.1].
(b) Do not have tallies and have not commenced a bombing
profile.
(c) Are available [1.1].
A squadron that does not comply with these conditions at the end
of any phase leaves the wing and cannot return to it, even if it
formates on the wing leader again. However, it remains on the
wing’s radio net [9.4].
If the wing leader tallies an enemy or becomes unavailable, the
wing breaks up. If this happens in the Tally Phase, the wing
leader can immediately issue orders to squadrons in the wing
[9.5.5] (he cannot issue orders if the break-up occurs at any
other time). Any squadron not issued an order has left the wing.
9.5.3
In a wing only the wing leader places a Vector marker [9.2.4].
All other squadrons in the wing maintain formation on the wing
leader.
If the wing breaks up [9.5.2], squadrons not issued orders place
a Vector marker in the square previously occupied by the wing
leader’s vector.
9.5.4
In wings assigned a sweep mission, squadrons continue their
sweep behaviour [9.2.3] even if some squadrons leave the wing
formation.
If the wing breaks up [9.5.2], squadrons not issued orders
continue their sweep behaviour but are no longer in the wing.
#Post#: 6106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Formations
By: ScottKey Date: June 25, 2020, 4:35 pm
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This answers the question perfectly
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Re: Wing Formations
By: Elias Nordling Date: September 4, 2020, 11:00 am
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I think I just found a misleading rule:
7.2.2 (5) says an aircraft that drops its tally can be issued a
new order. However, 9.5.2 says a squadron leaves its wing the
moment it tallies and can never return. So it seems this can not
happen.
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Re: Wing Formations
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 4, 2020, 2:36 pm
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Let me take a look in the morning, when my mind is clear.
#Post#: 6558--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wing Formations
By: pilotofficerprune Date: September 5, 2020, 5:10 am
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Yes, that does look like a problem. I shall fix this.
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