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#Post#: 2149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: Kevin Date: March 18, 2019, 3:21 pm
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Hi Lee, I’ve gone through the contents and sorry don’t have many
observations……..which is a good thing!
Countersheet 4 of 4 front: ADC’s are version 1.0 and assume
this is correct? Not newer versions of ADC's for these
aircraft?
Countersheet 4 of 4 reverse: Battle counters Able Baker and
Charlie have the same printed on their backs in Supremacy but
with black type for the name. Is this significant or desired
for Victories?
Victories rulebook page 7, ADC of the F4F-2 is v2.1 but the ADC
is currently 2.2. All the values appear to be the same except
for the version.
#Post#: 2150--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 19, 2019, 1:34 am
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[quote author=Kevin link=topic=104.msg2149#msg2149
date=1552940519]Countersheet 4 of 4 front: ADC’s are version
1.0 and assume this is correct? Not newer versions of ADC's
for these aircraft?[/quote]
That's correct. These cards represent the first appearance in
print f these ADCs.
[quote author=Kevin link=topic=104.msg2149#msg2149
date=1552940519]Countersheet 4 of 4 reverse: Battle counters
Able Baker and Charlie have the same printed on their backs in
Supremacy but with black type for the name. Is this significant
or desired for Victories?[/quote]
So long as we have the art on one side of the counter, it's
fine.
[quote author=Kevin link=topic=104.msg2149#msg2149
date=1552940519]Victories rulebook page 7, ADC of the F4F-2 is
v2.1 but the ADC is currently 2.2. All the values appear to be
the same except for the version.[/quote]
Hmm. . . Strictly speaking it doesn't matter, but if I can find
the time maybe I should update to match the current card.
#Post#: 2151--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 19, 2019, 10:37 am
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I've asked Elias, Gordon and Andrew to take a final look at V07
Malta Recce, so they may be out of commission this week.
#Post#: 2159--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 20, 2019, 2:12 pm
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On the tables, I find that the text "If one side has
Edgeability shift one column right" could be more
helpful in describing how that works. Like "If only one of the
lead units have edge ability, that side only shifts one column
right".
#Post#: 2161--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 21, 2019, 3:46 am
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So, Rick has discovered a bunch of Eagles countersheet issues.
(1) We only have one British Corsair flight, but E19, E20 and
E21 require two.
(2) We only have one British Hellcat flight, but E19, E20
require two.
(3) We need four Ki-43 flights for E03, but there are only three
in Supremacy and none in Eagles.
(4) To allow the Ki-45s in E19 to split, we require a third
Ki-45 flight.
Less vital, Rick suggests that we could also do with the
following:
(5) Two Martlet counters for E21 to allow them to split
(6) One Firefly flight for E19/E20 to allow them to split
This amounts to the following requirements:
+1 British Corsair flt
+1 British Hellcat flt
+1 Ki-43-II flt
+1 Ki-45 flt
Also possibly this extra requirement:
+2 Martlet flts
+1 Firefly flt
Clearly, this would have to be at the expense of other counters.
Rick has identified the following for potentially dropping and
converting to another counter:
(a) The two Barracuda flight counters (leaving us with no
Barracuda flights)
(b) One of the Firefly squadron counters (leaving us with just
one Firefly squadron)
(c) Two Ki-48 squadron counters (leaving us with no Ki-48
squadrons)
(d) One of the Ki-49 squadron counters (leaving us with just one
Ki-49 squadron)
So, what to do? Here's one possible plan:
(i) Swap the two Barracuda flights for a British Corsair and
Hellcat
(ii) Swap one Firefly squadron for a Firefly flight (and permit
the squadron to split in E-19 and E20)
(iii) Swap one Ki-48 squadron for a Ki-43 flight
(iv) Swap one Ki-49 squadron for a Ki-45 flight
Any comments?
#Post#: 2175--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 22, 2019, 2:57 am
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Okay, so after a sleep on the matter, there are a number of ways
of resolving the countersheet issues, and it depends on what I
care about most.
Option A. (Minimal change) I care about the lack of Corsair and
Hellcat flights, but not the Ki-43 splitting, Ki-45s or
Fireflies. In which case I:
(1) Swap the two Barracuda flights for a British Corsair and
Hellcat
(2) In E03 I limit the Ki-43s to a split of 2 flights
Option B. (Some change) I care about the lack of Corsair and
Hellcat flights, we need more Ki-43 flights, changing a Firefly
squadron to a flight seems like a sensible move, but I dont care
about splitting Ki-45s in E19. In which case I:
(1) Swap the two Barracuda flights for a British Corsair and
Hellcat
(2) Swap one Ki-48 squadron for a Ki-43 flight
(3) Swap one Firefly squadron for a Firefly flight (and permit
the squadron to split in E-19 and E20)
Option C. (Most change) I care about all the major issues. In
which case I:
(1) Swap the two Barracuda flights for a British Corsair and
Hellcat
(2) Swap one Firefly squadron for a Firefly flight (and permit
the squadron to split in E-19 and E20)
(3) Swap one Ki-48 squadron for a Ki-43 flight
(4) Swap one Ki-49 squadron for a Ki-45 flight
I'm favouring option B at the moment, because I'm not sure I
care about splitting the Ki-45s in E19. But you guys out there
might have other thoughts.
#Post#: 2177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 22, 2019, 3:17 am
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I agree with Option B, as I care both about the Corsair &
Hellcat, and Ki43 splitting from the experience of the
scenarios, but I don't think I've ever split a Ki45 because you
need the numbers to make a difference with them.
#Post#: 2178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 22, 2019, 3:27 am
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Thanks, Elias. It's good to sanity-check these things.
So if we go for Option B, what does that mean for ID lettering?
Here's a proposal:
(British) Corsair flight = M
(British) Hellcat flight = F
Firefly flight = N or O (replaces the existing squadron ID)
Ki-43 (late) flight = I
Can someone please check over the scenarios and counter needs
and tell me if there's any problem with this lettering scheme?
Remember that we must assume that no-one has the existing C3i
with the British Corsairs and Hellcats.
#Post#: 2180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: pilotofficerprune Date: March 23, 2019, 1:46 am
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[quote author=Elias Nordling link=topic=104.msg2159#msg2159
date=1553109159]On the tables, I find that the text "If one side
has Edgeability shift one column right" could be more
helpful in describing how that works. Like "If only one of the
lead units have edge ability, that side only shifts one column
right".[/quote]
How about this as the wording?
If primary combatant has Edge > ability shift one column right
(do not shift if opponent also has Edge >).
#Post#: 2181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Victories second edition and Eagles publication
By: Elias Nordling Date: March 23, 2019, 1:58 am
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It works, I guess. It is the only "shift" in the air combat
table, but most players probably think of the combat
differential as a shift too. What I'm missing is the important
fact that unlike the combat differential, this only applies to
one side. You can figure it out from this wording, even if it's
not spelled out in clear.
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