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#Post#: 2501--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: mcnut Date: March 3, 2015, 1:32 pm
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Thanks for the reply and posting the Emig take.
In my case I definitely need some suspension work before playing
with the offset, to do otherwise would be placing the cart
before the horse.
Bruce
#Post#: 2502--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: Guymcfly Date: March 3, 2015, 5:52 pm
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Is your rear sag set properly for you? I had a very nasty case
of rear end swapping when I simply jumped on the bike (when it
was brand new) and pointed it straight a a series of deep
rolling whoops. I had always raced across them on the exc's but
had a really ugly moment and still don't know how I hung onto
the bike.
A few tweaks on the shock and all was good. I'd also heard from
riders about the corner pushing but not had it myself.
Get the suspension set properly and then try the change, it's
not a big job.
I should also say the following, over on thumper talk (sorry
Rusty!) there is a good thread entitled 'making a 690 enduro
more trail specific'.
1 of the original posters details how he suffered the same
problem you have about pushing into corners. I believe he solved
it via the rear shock settings.
#Post#: 2505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: mcnut Date: March 4, 2015, 11:48 am
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[quote author=Guymcfly link=topic=401.msg2502#msg2502
date=1425426753]
Is your rear sag set properly for you? .....
1 of the original posters details how he suffered the same
problem you have about pushing into corners. I believe he solved
it via the rear shock settings.
[/quote]
Not there yet, it's going to take more then settings for my fat
axx. Hesitant to spend the $ if the knifing front remained
after, as I would likely just sell the bike and move on.
Thanks again for the detailed replies!
Bruce
#Post#: 2510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: Guymcfly Date: March 5, 2015, 11:08 pm
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If you are not going to have any luck by setting sag etc with
the stock springs, I can understand being hesitant to spend the
$$ but most bikes have spring rates the same. I'm lucky that I
fall within the weight for off the floor bikes, but it sounds
like you'd have to get some work done regardless. The amount you
pay for a good suspension set up is probably going to equal what
you go thru in selling and then buying again. And then you'd
most likely need a suspension set up on the new bike.
Is there a good suspension dude in your region? Might be worth
talking to someone who knows 690's and telling them your
problem. It may just be a spring swap and adjustment.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
#Post#: 2566--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: Guymcfly Date: March 27, 2015, 8:12 am
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Got some time recently to pop the big girl through a bit of deep
sand and also had a good run in some very loose gravel beds. By
this I mean small pea gravel that is common over here in west
oz.
Results are best described as follows.
The bike does feel strangely more 'compact'. I can defiantly
feel the minor change in the wheel base. It's an odd sense of
being fractionally more over the front wheel. And that's the rub
I guess, in that it's putting the mass of both bike and rider a
little more forward.
That helps with the bike tracking over very rough ground and
also in deep sand and gravel. It rails after the change with the
clamp. No ploughing or pushing ...only let down was my lapses in
technique. As another rider over here stated, he changed it,
couldn't get his suspenders sorted so changed back. He tried
again, got the combo of setting and suspension sorted and it was
"foo kin' oar some".
Get yr weight over the front of the bike, look to the exit of
your corner and and twist the throttle...and hang on like hell!
Coming back into straights I'm finding the back end is spinning
out wonderfully reminding me of a big old two smoker. While the
turn circle is reduceded, it's easy to flick the back tyre
around by using the gas...gonna eat even more tires I guess!
Conclusion....its a great tweek on the bike. But it's got to be
used in conjunction with correct suspension set up. And that
should be sorted The First Time You Ride The Bike....before you
think of cans, tires, luggage, whatever. Can't do it yourself,
then pay for it. I'm always stunned the people will spend big
money on boots, pants etc but not set the bike up properly.
And also, ability. Learn to ride it where you want to ride
it...and keep learning! None of are ever to old or too talented
to stop.
Happy riding on the big orange pig!
#Post#: 2567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: mcnut Date: March 27, 2015, 3:22 pm
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Fantastic write-up, thanks for taking the time to really assess
the changes. And I think you are dead nuts right about sorting
the suspension.
Bruce
#Post#: 2569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Changed triple clamp setting.
By: Guymcfly Date: March 28, 2015, 6:21 am
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Hey no problem, I hope that I didn't come across as a know it
all w--ker. I've been trying to be fairly objective about the
mod as opposed to me saying it's great because it's something I
did!
What it all comes down to I guess, is this...we can spend all we
want on every mod or bling for ours bikes, but if our riding
ability sucks, it counts for crap. We gotta be able to handle
our bikes for whatever conditions we come across and also so it
provides a sense of confidence in ourselves out there.
A while back I was speaking with a person I know who had
competed in, and finished, the Dakar Rally down in SA. And
finished in a very nice position amongst the rankings as well.
He's also a well regarded rider in another couple of riding
disciplines and was once in the world top ten in one of them.
In other words, he is one tough, capable and determined rider.
He mentioned that every time he rides in the dirt, he goes thru
the same series of training exercises. Nothing out of the
ordinary...front brake controlled skid, fast to standstill stop
and throttle on, locking the rear wheel to flick the rear end
out, some steering exercises and flat cornering and railing the
berm. He doesn't spend a heap of time on them, but runs through
them paying attention to his riding position and correct
technique.
As he said "you won't become an off road rider by trail riding
or road riding. You have to practice the correct off road
technique, and keep going thru it, again and again, until its
2nd nature. And you know what? Most people don't. Ever. They
just think it comes natural."
All the best to all the riders on here ;)
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