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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: GSP Date: August 15, 2014, 6:13 am
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no 15 minute rule, the factory 02 is out of the circuit, did you
calibrate the throttle position sensor?
Use the map I emailed you. Use the 2 and 3 degree timing table,
it will run hotter advanced, not a bad thing, make sure you use
93 octane
A slip-on will not do much unless you cut the air box, letting
it breath out requires letting it breath in....
Make sure the POT under the seat is set at #2
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#Post#: 1588--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: Maribo Date: August 20, 2014, 9:47 am
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Thanks for the help! I've been out of the loop for a few days.
I installed an Evo 1 air box lid from KTMparts because it is
easily reversible. While the Wings muffler added some bass, the
more open airbox lid added some sub-woofer. I have the short,
quietest, insert in the muffler, so it is not too loud. I don't
particularly care for the sound the pipe makes on rolloff, but I
will live with it: it still sounds better than the stock muffler
and weighs 6 lb. less. I loaded GSP's second auto-tuned map. I
seems to perform nicely with a nice mid-range hit. Since a lot
of my riding thus far has been put-putting from stoplight to
stoplight in the city, it still runs hot-ish, as I described
earlier. Maybe that's just the way it is; however, I am
considering changing the spark advance in the above table to
zero up to and including 4000 rpm and 40% throttle. This is
where most of this slow hot riding is, so maybe it will run a
bit cooler there as a result.
I didn't calibrate the throttle yet, but I will. The pot under
the seat has been at 3 for precision in slow going. I
understand from another thread here that the difference between
2 and 3 is only how much throttle opening there is per
grip-twist (for lack of a better term), and there is no
difference in the ignition or fuel mapping. If it really needs
to be on 2, please let me know. This thread has been a lot of
help!
#Post#: 1611--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: dasklein Date: August 21, 2014, 1:04 pm
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[quote]Since a lot of my riding thus far has been put-putting
from stoplight to stoplight in the city, it still runs hot-ish,
as I described earlier. Maybe that's just the way it is;
however, I am considering changing the spark advance in the
above table to zero up to and including 4000 rpm and 40%
throttle. This is where most of this slow hot riding is, so
maybe it will run a bit cooler there as a result.[/quote]
While there is a correlation to ignition timing and heat, it's
not the main determining factor. 99% of modern FI vehicles run a
hotter temp (Normal Operating Temp) to assist in cutting
emissions and maintain "complete" fuel burn. The often lean
condition on our bikes due to high AFR's *probably* causes the
most heat – more than acceptable timing increases I would think.
Timing has a particular influence over EGT (exhaust temp) and
temp in the head, but don't expect lowering the timing to drop
the temp 2-3 bars under normal conditions. The cooling systems
are designed for the higher temps. The super high temp fan
switch also plays a role, which is why many ADV riders change it
out with a lower one (185-190º suzuki IIRC). And if you're
put-putting around, there may not be much air moving through the
radiator.
If it feels good, I'd say watch the plugs and leave it be. That
mid-range punch you feel is likely the timing increase.
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: mcevins Date: September 3, 2014, 10:39 pm
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I'm new to the forum and would like to thank GSP for sending me
his Map from his auto tune and PCV. It was a great starting
point for the shop that dynoed and mapped my 2014 Enduro r
yesterday. I have a Wings can, rally cam, and K&N filter from
the EVO2 kit. I haven't picked up my bike or results yet, but I
think he said it put out 65.4 hp at the rear wheel.
I run 93 octane non-ethanol fuel. I will post more information
when I get my bike and will share the map with anyone that would
like to have it.
Meacham Evins
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: GSP Date: September 4, 2014, 8:44 am
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Thanks man, that's a DAMN good number at the tire
#Post#: 1699--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: mcevins Date: September 4, 2014, 12:08 pm
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Sorry guys, I misunderstood Conrad the dyno man yesterday. My
bike put out 63.07 hp and 47.77 ft-lbs torque at the rear wheel.
He did say that GSP's map was really good. He really only had to
make timing and fueling adjustments in the upper rpm ranges to
tune for the Rally cam.
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: Maribo Date: September 4, 2014, 12:27 pm
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I would like to thank GSP, and dasklein, as well. My goal here
is to eliminate the heat caused by the excessively lean
condition provided stock. Anything else is icing on the cake.
Currently I have the Wings can and the KTM EVO1 airbox lid. I'm
running GSP's auto-tuned map with the negative fuel mixture
values changed to zero and timing changed to zero up to 4000
rpm.
Meacham, I'd be interested in your map, so please post! Is your
cam the one that comes with the EVO2 kit? I wonder what it does
to the power band compared to stock. Curious.
... David
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: mcevins Date: September 4, 2014, 1:50 pm
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Maribo,
It is the cam with the evo 2 kit. I have the dyno sheet and map
if you would send me an e-mail to return it to you. The dyno is
on an adobe scan and the map is on a PCV file. I couldn't post
it on this site.
My e-mail is cedarcitydiesel@charter.net
I just sent GSP the PCV file
Meacham Evins
#Post#: 1707--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: GSP Date: September 5, 2014, 8:56 am
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Nice work man... How much timing advance did they go? I also
wonder if the knobby tire might slip on dyno and your putting
out more than recorded, I bet he let out some air?
Im ready to buy the cam. :)
#Post#: 1709--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
By: mcevins Date: September 5, 2014, 11:10 am
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GSP,
I had already installed Pirelli Scorpion AT MT90 tires. They are
incredible. No slipping on the Dyno. Conrad advanced timing 7
degrees between 4000 to 9500 rpm. He wants me to be cautious
about fuel quality and wants me to check my plugs for a while.
He said that with this timing my bike produced the best results
and the smoothest power. KEVTXT from Australia said "Wow that's
big ignition advance for that cam, you will have to pull that
back a bit if you run most static compression". KEVTXT is really
brilliant in the arena of KTM's. I'll watch things closely.
Meacham
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