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#Post#: 14882--------------------------------------------------
What is sin?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 6, 2020, 12:34 pm
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Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a
talk about what sin is. Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is
damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever
is not of faith is sin.
I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law, and
yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that
presents problems with which law and what about the NT. Some
people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law
in this country. Others might argue that sin is what goes
against our conscience. But here we see scripture declaring
that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God)
which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave
open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without
sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.
Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of
who God is and what He wants for us. If we are trusting God,
how can we go wrong? (sin)
#Post#: 14901--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 6, 2020, 9:44 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a
talk about what sin is. Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is
damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever
is not of faith is sin.
>
>
>
> I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law,
and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that
presents problems with which law and what about the NT. Some
people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law
in this country. Others might argue that sin is what goes
against our conscience. But here we see scripture declaring
that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God)
which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave
open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without
sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.
Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of
who God is and what He wants for us. If we are trusting God,
how can we go wrong? (sin)
>
--- End Quote ---
Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three
tenses of Sin.
1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins
2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I
commit daily.
3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in
the future.
Lori....question please.
Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it
your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your
daily actions?
OR
Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all
your daily actions?
Blade
#Post#: 14913--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 7, 2020, 6:58 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=985.msg14882#msg14882
date=1594056843]
> Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a
talk about what sin is. Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is
damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever
is not of faith is sin.
>
>
>
> I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law,
and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that
presents problems with which law and what about the NT. Some
people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law
in this country. Others might argue that sin is what goes
against our conscience. But here we see scripture declaring
that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God)
which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave
open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without
sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.
Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of
who God is and what He wants for us. If we are trusting God,
how can we go wrong? (sin)
>
--- End Quote ---
Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three
tenses of Sin.
1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins
2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I
commit daily.
3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in
the future.
Lori....question please.
Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it
your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your
daily actions?
OR
Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all
your daily actions?
Blade
[/quote]Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and
death that it always comes down to people making excuses for
sinning as if God's only power is over death?
Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have
full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God
is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving
the reigns to God.
Now, the question being asked, is what is sin? I don't see your
answer here.
#Post#: 14928--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 7, 2020, 6:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=985.msg14901#msg14901
date=1594089889]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=985.msg14882#msg14882
date=1594056843]
> Based on a recent discussion I had, I think we need to have a
talk about what sin is. Romans 14:23 23 And he that doubteth is
damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever
is not of faith is sin.
>
>
>
> I have heard people claim that sin is a breaking of the law,
and yes, at one time I might have been in that category but that
presents problems with which law and what about the NT. Some
people claim that sin is a list of offenses, much like our law
in this country. Others might argue that sin is what goes
against our conscience. But here we see scripture declaring
that sin is anything NOT done in faith (trust of the Living God)
which closes up so many of the holes the other versions leave
open and it also shows us why only true believers can be without
sin as well as why in Christ we become a new creation.
Everything the believer does is to be done in faith, in trust of
who God is and what He wants for us. If we are trusting God,
how can we go wrong? (sin)
>
--- End Quote ---
Even believers sin.....The Bible teaches us that there are three
tenses of Sin.
1. Past Tense....I have been saved.... from all my past Sins
2. Present tense....I am being saved..from the sins that I
commit daily.
3. Future Tense...I will be saved...from the sins I commit in
the future.
Lori....question please.
Since you are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit is it
your contention that Holy Spirit is responsible for all your
daily actions?
OR
Is it your contention that you are the responsible party for all
your daily actions?
Blade
[/quote]Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and
death that it always comes down to people making excuses for
sinning as if God's only power is over death?
Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have
full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God
is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving
the reigns to God.
Now, the question being asked, is what is sin? I don't see your
answer here.
[/quote]
I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of
your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated
in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't.
You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is happening
to the person and GOD when one does sin.
Philosophical vs. Practical
Good Day Lori.
#Post#: 14938--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 8, 2020, 8:02 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that
it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if
God's only power is over death?
Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have
full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God
is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving
the reigns to God.
Now, the question being asked, is what is sin? I don't see your
answer here.
[/quote]
I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of
your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated
in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't. [/quote] so
according to God's word, as per the OP question, sin is anything
not done in faith...that is the definition I am going with, but
you seem to be arguing against that definition all the while
claiming that you believe sin is simply and literally as stated
in God's word...so since I believe it is as stated in God's word
according to the OP question, do you agree or not?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is
happening to the person and GOD when one does sin.
--- End Quote ---
I don't have any idea what this is all supposed to mean...the
mechanism is not utilizing the power of the HS as we are
instructed to do...what happens to the person, they are
corrected by God, you know, the son that is corrected is Loved
by the father...God when one does sin? God corrects us, not sure
why I should question any of these things since they are clearly
stated and straight out of scripture...which ones do you
disagree with?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Philosophical vs. Practical
>
>
> Good Day Lori.
>
--- End Quote ---
I still don't get (cause you won't tell me) why you think the
formational study of scripture is a bad thing or not a necessary
part of our study.
#Post#: 14939--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 8, 2020, 10:09 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=985.msg14928#msg14928
date=1594165224]
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Why is it when we talk about God's power over sin and death that
it always comes down to people making excuses for sinning as if
God's only power is over death?
Okay, when I sin, it is because I am NOT allowing God to have
full control over my life...how can I make it any clearer...God
is greater than sin, so if I sin it is my fault for not giving
the reigns to God.
Now, the question being asked, is what is sin? I don't see your
answer here.
[/quote]
I guess you and I are not going to GEE-HA on the majority of
your questions....I look at sins simply and literally as stated
in GOD's Word. You either commit them or you don't. [/quote] so
according to God's word, as per the OP question, sin is anything
not done in faith...that is the definition I am going with, but
you seem to be arguing against that definition all the while
claiming that you believe sin is simply and literally as stated
in God's word...so since I believe it is as stated in God's word
according to the OP question, do you agree or not?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You look at the mechanics of how one sins and what is
happening to the person and GOD when one does sin.
--- End Quote ---
I don't have any idea what this is all supposed to mean...the
mechanism is not utilizing the power of the HS as we are
instructed to do...what happens to the person, they are
corrected by God, you know, the son that is corrected is Loved
by the father...God when one does sin? God corrects us, not sure
why I should question any of these things since they are clearly
stated and straight out of scripture...which ones do you
disagree with?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Philosophical vs. Practical
>
>
> Good Day Lori.
>
--- End Quote ---
I still don't get (cause you won't tell me) why you think the
formational study of scripture is a bad thing or not a necessary
part of our study.
[/quote]
Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My
understanding is that 'formational study of scripture'
(Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are
not there resulting in more sin, not less.
Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because I
do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but
rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and
have free-will, I will sin regardless.
Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask
myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where
I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin
again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our
Lord Jesus Christ.
As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to
sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there
will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I
The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove mules
like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you and I
will not agree on anything because we are on two different sides
of the SAME ROAD..
You see it Philosophical and I see it Practical. By that I
mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows,
what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or
the HS when I sin..
For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a person
who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a "WHITE-LIE"
from others in order to make them feel good about themselves.
Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list according
to His Word.
I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE' to
make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie is
Lie, etc.
But according to Philosophical terms, This 'WhiteLie' would be
OK simply because it is making someone feel better about
themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the
enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that
are not OK. Hope this makes sense without further explanation.
I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only one
path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation from
its original path is a LIE not matter how small.
SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The
practical side.
Does this make sense to you ? Hope so but do not believe it
will!
I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend
Blade
#Post#: 14941--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 8, 2020, 10:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My
understanding is that 'formational study of scripture'
(Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are
not there resulting in more sin, not less. [/quote]
informational meaning how to apply it to our lives so that we
become more and more like Christ, is in your opinion creating
different views of scripture and thus resulting in sin...how can
something that draws us to be more like Christ be creating more
sin since Christ was sinless? Remember, you are the one that
pointed out you take a more philosophical view where I take a
more application view.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because
I do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but
rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and
have free-will, I will sin regardless.
--- End Quote ---
this makes me so sad, because if Christ came with the power
over sin and death but the only hope you have is in the
resurrection, then He only accomplished 1/2 of what He came to
do. I personally believe in the God who accomplishes everything
He wills, not just half of it.
--- Quote ---
>
>
>
> Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask
myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where
I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin
again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our
Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to
sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there
will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I
--- End Quote ---
So the Christ in you is not powerful enough to overcome sin...I
would love for you to weigh in on where the power is then...
--- Quote ---
>
>
> The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove
mules like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you
and I will not agree on anything because we are on two different
sides of the SAME ROAD..
>
> You see it Philosophical and I see it Practical. By that I
mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows,
what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or
the HS when I sin..
--- End Quote ---
this is the exact opposite of what you originally claimed and
just for the record, formational means to put it into practice,
which is what you previously objected to me doing....why are you
now changing your mind? All I am asking in this thread is what
is sin? It's not about philosophical anything, it's about
practice, what is a sin? If we don't know what sin is, how can
we avoid it? Just do anything we want until God says, "that
didn't make me happy", then repent??????
--- Quote ---
>
>
> For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a
person who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a
"WHITE-LIE" from others in order to make them feel good about
themselves.
>
> Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list
according to His Word.
--- End Quote ---
so you believe in a hierarchy of sin...where is the line drawn
on what sins lead to death and which one's don't?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE'
to make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie
is Lie, etc.
>
> But according to Philosophical terms, This 'WhiteLie' would
be OK simply because it is making someone feel better about
themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the
enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that
are not OK. Hope this makes sense without further explanation.
--- End Quote ---
I don't see anything in scripture saying that a "white lie" is
okay...but then again, I am all about application, so there is
that.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only
one path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation
from its original path is a LIE not matter how small.
--- End Quote ---
so are you saying you believe that sin is anything that
violates our conscience?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The
practical side.
>
>
> Does this make sense to you ? Hope so but do not believe it
will!
>
> I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
what doesn't make sense is why you 1. changed your mind about
how I approach scripture and 2. why you think that knowing what
sin is is philosophical rather than formational.
#Post#: 14944--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: July 8, 2020, 11:26 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I'm not much of a "scholar" of the Bible (and even disagree with
much of it).
In my opinion, I think this is close to a Buddhist point of view
(I'm no Buddhist though)...
WE as humans are reponsible for our sins.
The worst type of sin is to intentionally harm an innocent
person (or animal).
If you do something wrong that you don't understand is a sin,
you're still responsible.
If you don't know that you're sinning you can never learn to
become a better person (the danger is that you lie to
yourself)...
The hypothetical "best" of humans, wouldn't even have the urge
to sin, and wouldn't need any (holy) "book" to refrain from
sinning.
I still don't know if we have the (active) responsibility to
also fight against the crimes of the elite.
#Post#: 14945--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 8, 2020, 11:40 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> I'm not much of a "scholar" of the Bible (and even disagree
with much of it).
> In my opinion, I think this is close to a Buddhist point of
view (I'm no Buddhist though)...
>
> WE as humans are reponsible for our sins.
>
> The worst type of sin is to intentionally harm an innocent
person (or animal).
>
> If you do something wrong that you don't understand is a sin,
you're still responsible.
> If you don't know that you're sinning you can never learn to
become a better person (the danger is that you lie to
yourself)...
>
> The hypothetical "best" of humans, wouldn't even have the urge
to sin, and wouldn't need any (holy) "book" to refrain from
sinning.
>
> I still don't know if we have the (active) responsibility to
also fight against the crimes of the elite.
>
--- End Quote ---
so what then is sin? So that we know what we are talking about
#Post#: 14955--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is sin?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 8, 2020, 7:20 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Lori, it is good to hear directly from you again. My
understanding is that 'formational study of scripture'
(Philosophical) usually results in views of scripture that are
not there resulting in more sin, not less.
--- End Quote ---
informational meaning how to apply it to our lives so that we
become more and more like Christ, is in your opinion creating
different views of scripture and thus resulting in sin...how can
something that draws us to be more like Christ be creating more
sin since Christ was sinless? Remember, you are the one that
pointed out you take a more philosophical view where I take a
more application view.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Yes, the HS is within me and Yes, I sin everyday, not because
I do not give myself over to HIM completely(which I have) but
rather because as long as I am in this mortal, fleshly body and
have free-will, I will sin regardless.
--- End Quote ---
this makes me so sad, because if Christ came with the power
over sin and death but the only hope you have is in the
resurrection, then He only accomplished 1/2 of what He came to
do. I personally believe in the God who accomplishes everything
He wills, not just half of it.
--- Quote ---
>
>
>
> Yes, When I sin I know it immediately and have to backup, ask
myself why did I do that and place that thought in an area where
I will TRY to remember to catch myself from repeating this sin
again....This is the sanctification process of my walk with our
Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> As long as I am in this temporary, mortal body, I am going to
sin daily!will get better and maybe not sin everyday but there
will be times that I still as much as I try, I will still sin. I
--- End Quote ---
So the Christ in you is not powerful enough to overcome sin...I
would love for you to weigh in on where the power is then...
--- Quote ---
>
>
> The 'GEE-HA' is a throw back to the days when people drove
mules like they drive cars these days. In part it means that you
and I will not agree on anything because we are on two different
sides of the SAME ROAD..
>
> You see it Philosophical and I see it Practical. By that I
mean: A sin is a sin and I do not delve into the whys, hows,
what for's and what happens to me, to include those around me or
the HS when I sin..
--- End Quote ---
this is the exact opposite of what you originally claimed and
just for the record, formational means to put it into practice,
which is what you previously objected to me doing....why are you
now changing your mind? All I am asking in this thread is what
is sin? It's not about philosophical anything, it's about
practice, what is a sin? If we don't know what sin is, how can
we avoid it? Just do anything we want until God says, "that
didn't make me happy", then repent??????
--- Quote ---
>
>
> For a little clarity, lets take the example of a LIE to a
person who is a little fat, knows they are fat yet, needs a
"WHITE-LIE" from others in order to make them feel good about
themselves.
>
> Now GOD Hates LIES..It is in the top seven of His list
according to His Word.
--- End Quote ---
so you believe in a hierarchy of sin...where is the line drawn
on what sins lead to death and which one's don't?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> I just know it is wrong to LIE (in any form). Is a 'WhiteLIE'
to make someone feel better a sin,YES... A Lie is a Lie is a Lie
is Lie, etc.
>
> But according to Philosophical terms, This 'WhiteLie' would
be OK simply because it is making someone feel better about
themselves ( a good deed)..Nevertheless this then leads to the
enhancement of these WhiteLIES (that are ok) to cover LIES that
are not OK. Hope this makes sense without further explanation.
--- End Quote ---
I don't see anything in scripture saying that a "white lie" is
okay...but then again, I am all about application, so there is
that.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> I am just a simple country boy and know that truth has only
one path no matter how many ways your turn it. Any deviation
from its original path is a LIE not matter how small.
--- End Quote ---
so are you saying you believe that sin is anything that
violates our conscience?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> SO, I try not to LIE in any form. It is as simple as that. The
practical side.
>
>
> Does this make sense to you ? Hope so but do not believe it
will!
>
> I pray you have a safe and Blessed day, my friend
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
what doesn't make sense is why you 1. changed your mind about
how I approach scripture and 2. why you think that knowing what
sin is is philosophical rather than formational.
[/quote]
Then you are without sin? Seems so..You are asking what it is???
Blade
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