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#Post#: 14895--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest116 Date: July 6, 2020, 8:13 pm
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Yes, they are all authorized edition by various publishers.
Now you understand why I struggle with just the words. Worse
yet none of this matches the oldest existing Greek text of 1
Timothy that is considered the authoritative version.
The upside is that for me at least is the true meaning of the
word of God divinely inspired was not lost.
Again this is just my humble opinion.
Oh, I would never use a latter-day saints text for anything.
#Post#: 14896--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest8 Date: July 6, 2020, 8:33 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=984.msg14894#msg14894
date=1594084104]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14874#msg14874 date=1594011674]
I have 1 tim 3:16 that reads: "And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
My 1979 version of KJV is the same
My 1949 copy
Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
manifested in human flesh, justified was he in the Spirit, seen
was he by angels, proclaimed was he by all nation, Jews and
Gentiles alike, believed on in the world, received up was he
into glory
My 1943 version of KJV by dad carried in WWII parallels your
version. I think the difference is the 1949 is a protestant
Alter bible used in a church.
My baptismal gift Bible from 1966 different by just a little
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in flesh: justified in Spirit, seen by angels,
preached to the Gentiles, proclaimed on in the world, received
up into glory.
My favorite as I think it is more eloquent and closer to the
original Greek it would have been written in, this is from my
great grandfather Bible of 1883.
And without conflict great is the mystery of holiness, manifest
in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among
Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up into Glory.
I do not have issues as the true word of God based on what is
said is not altered but the words used to say it seem to alter
as our language use of the language has changed.
[/quote]
and these are King James authorized editions?? Who is the editor
of your version? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
????
Blade
[/quote]
I might add that the only 1949 KJ Bible I can find is the
Service Book of the Antiochian Archdiocese.
I use the 1792 Edition of the Authorized version...If it is not
the Authorised version, I fear rampant changing of words.
Please check these verses out tosee what the 1949 copy says.
John 6:47.."Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on
me hath everlasting life." Most of these verses in other
versions than the KJV state.."truly, truly, I say unto you, he
who believes has eternal life" WHO is he believing in...it
is left out....
The 1 tim 3:16...with the NIV version (the most popular bible in
the USA) states.."Beyond all question, the mystery from which
true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was
vindicated by the Spirit,[fn] was seen by angels, was preached
among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in
glory."
Who is he...certainly not GOD,,maybe a man.....If He is Jesus
then His deity is removed. Compare this with your other
Bibles...
I have Bibles that go back to my grandparents and they are
Authorized KING JAMES "Edition" (NOT Versions).
They are all in complete agreement. as was your 1972
Edition....and your Dad's 1943 Edition......
Again all I can find for the 1949 version is it used as the
Service Book of the Antiochian Archdiocese.
Mark: we cannot change the WORD of GOD because we are living
differently....we are suppose to live by it not make it say how
we live. I know you know this and am simply discussing this
problem.
The KJV made from the Textus Receptus, 5600 manuscripts, pieces
of various Papyri at the time and the westminister Leningrad
codex and not the flawed trinity of the Alexander Codicies.
Blade
Blade
#Post#: 14897--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest8 Date: July 6, 2020, 8:37 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=984.msg14877#msg14877
date=1594045878]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14840#msg14840 date=1593893441]
I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures. My
issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was
and in what context they wrote and meant it in. They can have a
huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the
literal meaning is.
If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove
everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the
bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could
be chosen for such. That is the second problem is most
literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or
believe in literally. I do not believe that is you, but I know
many that way.
Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
[/quote]I would love to hear your thoughts on woman and the
church, but alas another topic...you are right on the money for
my way of thinking about culture and should be part of our
understanding when studying. I think and I see it more and more,
a lot of people claim literal understanding while reading their
traditions into the text which is a problem and is NOT what
literalist should mean.
[/quote]
There are many versions out there that do just that Lori: add
present day culture to the verses of the Bible.... We are to
live by the verses, not change them to say how we are living and
that it is OK.. there is a difference.
Blade
#Post#: 14899--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest116 Date: July 6, 2020, 9:01 pm
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I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying. How you
approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful
and works for you. It does not completely work for me. I want
to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not
some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to
fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition. That
is just me.
#Post#: 14902--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest8 Date: July 6, 2020, 9:48 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14899#msg14899 date=1594087291]
I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying. How you
approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful
and works for you. It does not completely work for me. I want
to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not
some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to
fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition. That
is just me.
[/quote]
oops, had to revise that as I reread your reply. It is my
understanding that other versions of the Bible change regularly.
To my knowledge, the AKJEdition has not changed since 1611 with
the exception of the 1792 edition where it changed from the Ole
English translation to the New English. When I have a problem or
a question about either the AKJ Edition or other versions, I use
the Textus receptus or the Leningrad Codex to find out... I like
you think it is very important that I not lead people to a false
gospel...I might as well quite. It is that important. In fact,
I pray to GOD each day, that He prevent me from leading anyone
astray with what I say about Him and His Word. I hope this makes
sense? I am not a preacher who has a gift of words but rather a
teacher that teaches what the Bible says , Literally,
Historically, grammatically and synthetically.
Blade
#Post#: 14908--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest8 Date: July 6, 2020, 11:39 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=984.msg14902#msg14902
date=1594090108]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14899#msg14899 date=1594087291]
I am not in any disagreement with what you are saying. How you
approach the editions of the Bible and scriptures is wonderful
and works for you. It does not completely work for me. I want
to make sure I do have the divinely inspired word of God and not
some wordsmith that change a word or misunderstood so tried to
fix something and it ended up in an authorized Edition. That
is just me.
[/quote]
oops, had to revise that as I reread your reply. It is my
understanding that other versions of the Bible change regularly.
To my knowledge, the AKJEdition has not changed since 1611 with
the exception of the 1792 edition where it changed from the Ole
English translation to the New English. When I have a problem or
a question about either the AKJ Edition or other versions, I use
the Textus receptus or the Leningrad Codex to find out... I like
you think it is very important that I not lead people to a false
gospel...I might as well quite. It is that important. In fact,
I pray to GOD each day, that He prevent me from leading anyone
astray with what I say about Him and His Word. I hope this makes
sense? I am not a preacher who has a gift of words but rather a
teacher that teaches what the Bible says , Literally,
Historically, grammatically and synthetically.
Blade
[/quote]
Mark, thought I would just chat for as bit....I recently
received a 2016 edition of a King James Study Bible...It has all
the bells and whistles but it has something that most Bibles
including a lot of the King James Authorized Edition especially
the newer editions do not have. This is the Epistle to King
James from the translators of the 1611 Edition. I have this
Epistle and will make a copy here even though it is windy and
somewhat long...It is worth reading. Here I have pasted the
first paragraph. Notice the majestic wording of the Kings
English.
EPISTLE AND DEDICATORIE
To the most high and mightie Prince, James by the grace of God
King of Great Britaine, France and Ireland, Defender of the
Faith, &c.
The translators of The Bible, wish Grace, Mercie, and Peace,
through Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Great and manifold were the blessings (most dread Soveraigne)
which
Almighty GOD, the Father of all Mercies, bestowed upon us the
people of
ENGLAND, when first he sent your Majesties Royall person to rule
and
raigne over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who
wished not
well unto our ZION, that upon the setting of that bright
Occidentall Starre
Queene ELIZABETH of most happy memory, some thicke and palpable
cloudes of darkenesse would so have overshadowed this land, that
men
should have bene in doubt which way they were to walke, and that
it should
hardly be knowen, who was to direct the unsetled State: the
appearance of
your MAJESTIE, as of the Sunne in his strength, instantly
dispelled those
supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well
affected,
exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the
government
established in your HIGHNESSE, and your hopefull Seed, by an
undoubted
Title, and this also accompanied with Peace and tranquillitie,
at home and
abroad.
#Post#: 14912--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest24 Date: July 7, 2020, 6:52 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=984.msg14897#msg14897
date=1594085824]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=984.msg14877#msg14877
date=1594045878]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14840#msg14840 date=1593893441]
I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures. My
issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was
and in what context they wrote and meant it in. They can have a
huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the
literal meaning is.
If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove
everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the
bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could
be chosen for such. That is the second problem is most
literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or
believe in literally. I do not believe that is you, but I know
many that way.
Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
[/quote]I would love to hear your thoughts on woman and the
church, but alas another topic...you are right on the money for
my way of thinking about culture and should be part of our
understanding when studying. I think and I see it more and more,
a lot of people claim literal understanding while reading their
traditions into the text which is a problem and is NOT what
literalist should mean.
[/quote]
There are many versions out there that do just that Lori: add
present day culture to the verses of the Bible.... We are to
live by the verses, not change them to say how we are living and
that it is OK.. there is a difference.
Blade
[/quote]I wish I had a confused emoji...I am not saying we
should apply the present-day culture to the verse to understand
it's meaning...I am saying we should understand what it meant to
the culture of the people that were being talked to and in that
we can understand the teaching and apply it to our present-day
lives.
#Post#: 14916--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest116 Date: July 7, 2020, 10:55 am
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Well said Lori. That is why you are a teacher
#Post#: 14917--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: guest24 Date: July 7, 2020, 11:25 am
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=984.msg14916#msg14916 date=1594137335]
Well said Lori. That is why you are a teacher
[/quote]Honestly, I don't try to teach and I would venture to
say that I learn more than I end up teaching anyone.
#Post#: 18290--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
By: patrick jane Date: October 2, 2020, 11:59 am
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