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#Post#: 14839--------------------------------------------------
What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 4, 2020, 12:22 pm
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I don't like to start a new thread on Sat. since I take Sun. off
but the topic came up on another thread so I thought I would go
ahead.
Some years ago, I started reading a book, it was talking about
all the possible meaning for what Gen. literally says. For
example, how long is a day? Is it a 24 hour day? The span of
daylight? etc. It isn't until day 4 that God gives us a way to
measure a day.
As I understand a literal reading of scripture accepts that we
don't know the length of the day that is recorded in scripture
and yet most people who call themselves literalists claim that
it is a 24 hour day...period, end of the discussion.
Another great example is that of the flood, we know that a
literal understanding tells us that the only life that survived
were those on the ark but it says nothing about a worldwide
flood, what if life was not dispersed around the world at that
time in history? Would it then have to be a worldwide flood? or
just a huge flood that was local to the life that existed at
that time?
So lets talk about what being a literalist really means and what
we try to turn it into.
#Post#: 14840--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest116
Date: July 4, 2020, 3:10 pm
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I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures. My
issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was
and in what context they wrote and meant it in. They can have a
huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the
literal meaning is.
If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove
everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the
bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could
be chosen for such. That is the second problem is most
literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or
believe in literally. I do not believe that is you, but I know
many that way.
Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
#Post#: 14857--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 5, 2020, 5:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures. My
issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was
and in what context they wrote and meant it in. They can have a
huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the
literal meaning is.
>
> If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove
everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the
bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could
be chosen for such. That is the second problem is mos
literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or
believe in literally. I do not believe that is you, but I know
many that way.
>
> Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
>
--- End Quote ---
Since the Bible was authored by GOD, we read it literally,
Historically, grammatically and syntheically. You Mark take it
a step further and read from it applications to you sheeps
lives.
As far as Lori comments about the Bible, they are just fine. The
Bible is specific in that the Woman is not to take place in the
CHURCH's administration/leadership teaching of men..during
sanctioned church functions which were at that time mostly on
the Sabbath.
I see no problem in women teaching, discussing outside the above
parameters. The only thing I do see is a problem is the Women
who want to do away with GOD's WORD as they seem to take offense
at its words...This is dangerous territory for some to take such
a hard stand against GOD's Word.
Blade
#Post#: 14863--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest116
Date: July 5, 2020, 10:05 pm
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See thats my problem Blade, is I have doubts that the words are
God's any longer. I never doubt the GODs word but there is some
discernment that needs used. I have an 1895 KJV a 1947 KJV a
1966 KJV and one bought in the last year. Every single one has
had a disclaimer that there has been changes made because never
information has been discovered. Major passages have been
changed but the changing of words.
This bothers me when you take it literally as you see it in the
latest version. This happens in every single version whether it
is a KJV, ESV or any other.
As for Lori, I love the fact she is here, I love that she
teaches, I have learned from her and her writings. I am just
trying to make the point that while we need to be literal with
GOD's words, we need to use some discernment in how the
wordsmiths have made changes and if it has altered what God
wants us to know and to live by.
#Post#: 14871--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 5, 2020, 10:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> See thats my problem Blade, is I have doubts that the words
are God's any longer. I never doubt the GODs word but there is
some discernment that needs used. I have an 1895 KJV a 1947 KJV
a 1966 KJV and one bought in the last year. Every single one
has had a disclaimer that there has been changes made because
never information has been discovered. Major passages have
been changed but the changing of words.
>
> This bothers me when you take it literally as you see it in
the latest version. This happens in every single version
whether it is a KJV, ESV or any other.
>
> As for Lori, I love the fact she is here, I love that she
teaches, I have learned from her and her writings. I am just
trying to make the point that while we need to be literal with
GOD's words, we need to use some discernment in how the
wordsmiths have made changes and if it has altered what God
wants us to know and to live by.
>
--- End Quote ---
Mark will have to check out this editions to the King
James....Have not noticed it before...I do know that the
copyright is for the notes/study guides of the book. Maybe the
page introductions.
The Authorized version of the King James is open to all. not
to change.
If those words have been changed in the KING James, as they have
in many other versions, then I agree with you. One will be hard
to understand what God's words were. However, if they have not
changed?
I have 1 tim 3:16 that reads: "And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
What does yours KJV Read?:
Blade
#Post#: 14874--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest116
Date: July 6, 2020, 12:01 am
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I have 1 tim 3:16 that reads: "And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
My 1979 version of KJV is the same
My 1949 copy
Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
manifested in human flesh, justified was he in the Spirit, seen
was he by angels, proclaimed was he by all nation, Jews and
Gentiles alike, believed on in the world, received up was he
into glory
My 1943 version of KJV by dad carried in WWII parallels your
version. I think the difference is the 1949 is a protestant
Alter bible used in a church.
My baptismal gift Bible from 1966 different by just a little
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in flesh: justified in Spirit, seen by angels,
preached to the Gentiles, proclaimed on in the world, received
up into glory.
My favorite as I think it is more eloquent and closer to the
original Greek it would have been written in, this is from my
great grandfather Bible of 1883.
And without conflict great is the mystery of holiness, manifest
in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among
Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up into Glory.
I do not have issues as the true word of God based on what is
said is not altered but the words used to say it seem to alter
as our language use of the language has changed.
#Post#: 14877--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 6, 2020, 9:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> I struggle with literalism when it comes to scriptures. My
issue is mainly I have no idea what the author's time really was
and in what context they wrote and meant it in. They can have a
huge bearing on what they really meant and not what we think the
literal meaning is.
>
> If we took the scriptures literal, PJ would have to remove
everything from you Lori as the bible makes it clear that the
bible can only be used and interpreted by men as only men could
be chosen for such. That is the second problem is most
literalist only take the parts they are comfortable with or
believe in literally. I do not believe that is you, but I know
many that way.
>
> Of course, as always, these are just my humble opinions.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would love to hear your thoughts on woman and the church, but
alas another topic...you are right on the money for my way of
thinking about culture and should be part of our understanding
when studying. I think and I see it more and more, a lot of
people claim literal understanding while reading their
traditions into the text which is a problem and is NOT what
literalist should mean.
#Post#: 14878--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest24
Date: July 6, 2020, 9:55 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> See thats my problem Blade, is I have doubts that the words
are God's any longer. I never doubt the GODs word but there is
some discernment that needs used. I have an 1895 KJV a 1947 KJV
a 1966 KJV and one bought in the last year. Every single one
has had a disclaimer that there has been changes made because
never information has been discovered. Major passages have
been changed but the changing of words.
>
> This bothers me when you take it literally as you see it in
the latest version. This happens in every single version
whether it is a KJV, ESV or any other.
>
> As for Lori, I love the fact she is here, I love that she
teaches, I have learned from her and her writings. I am just
trying to make the point that while we need to be literal with
GOD's words, we need to use some discernment in how the
wordsmiths have made changes and if it has altered what God
wants us to know and to live by.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is at least one of the reasons why God commands us to
study, not just read wouldn't you say?
#Post#: 14883--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest116
Date: July 6, 2020, 1:52 pm
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I totally agree.
#Post#: 14894--------------------------------------------------
Re: What does it mean to read scripture as a literalist?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 6, 2020, 8:08 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> I have 1 tim 3:16 that reads: "And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
>
> My 1979 version of KJV is the same
>
> My 1949 copy
>
> Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
manifested in human flesh, justified was he in the Spirit, seen
was he by angels, proclaimed was he by all nation, Jews and
Gentiles alike, believed on in the world, received up was he
into glory
>
> My 1943 version of KJV by dad carried in WWII parallels your
version. I think the difference is the 1949 is a protestant
Alter bible used in a church.
>
> My baptismal gift Bible from 1966 different by just a little
>
> And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in flesh: justified in Spirit, seen by angels,
preached to the Gentiles, proclaimed on in the world, received
up into glory.
>
> My favorite as I think it is more eloquent and closer to the
original Greek it would have been written in, this is from my
great grandfather Bible of 1883.
>
> And without conflict great is the mystery of holiness,
manifest in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels,
proclaimed among Gentiles, believed in throughout the world,
taken up into Glory.
>
> I do not have issues as the true word of God based on what is
said is not altered but the words used to say it seem to alter
as our language use of the language has changed.
>
--- End Quote ---
and these are King James authorized editions?? Who is the editor
of your version? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
????
Blade
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