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THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: patrick jane Date: June 10, 2020, 10:14 am
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[center]These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus
spoke and which Didymos Judas
Thomas wrote down.
[/center]
(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these
sayings will not experience
death."
(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he
finds. When he finds, he will
become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be
astonished, and he will rule over
the All."
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the
kingdom is in the sky,' then the
birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in
the sea,' then the fish will
precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is
outside of you. When you
come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you
will realize that it is you
who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know
yourselves, you dwell in
poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
(4) Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a
small child seven days old
about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are
first will become last, and they
will become one and the same."
(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which
is hidden from you will
become plain to you. For there is nothing hidden which will not
become manifest."
(6) His disciples questioned him and said to him, "Do you want
us to fast? How shall we
pray? Shall we give alms? What diet shall we observe?"
Jesus said, "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for
all things are plain in the
sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest,
and nothing covered will
remain without being uncovered."
(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when
consumed by man; and
cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes
man."
(8) And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his
net into the sea and drew
it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise
fisherman found a fine large
fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose
the large fish without
difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."
(9) Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of
seeds), and scattered them.
Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up.
Others fell on the rock, did
not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others
fell on thorns; they choked
the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil
and it produced good
fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per
measure."
(10) Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am
guarding it until it blazes."
(11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above
it will pass away. The
dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days
when you consumed what is
dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the
light, what will you do?
On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become
two, what will
you do?"
(12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart
from us. Who is to be our
leader?"
Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James
the righteous, for whose
sake heaven and earth came into being."
(13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and
tell me whom I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of
saying whom you are
like."
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you
have become intoxicated
from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When
Thomas returned to his
companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he
told me, you will pick up
stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones
and burn you up."
(14) Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin
for yourselves; and if you
pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do
harm to your spirits.
When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if
they receive you, eat what
they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what
goes into your mouth
will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it
is that which will defile
you."
(15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman,
prostrate yourselves on
your faces and worship him. That one is your father."
(16) Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I
have come to cast upon the
world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come
to cast upon the earth:
fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three
will be against two, and two
against three, the father against the son, and the son against
the father. And they will
stand solitary."
(17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what
no ear has heard and
what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the
human mind."
(18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you
look for the end? For
where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who
will take his place in the
beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."
(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he
came into being. If you
become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will
minister to you. For there
are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed
summer and winter and
whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them
will not experience
death."
(20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of
heaven is like."
He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest
of all seeds. But when it falls
on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter
for birds of the sky."
(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field
which is not theirs. When the
owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our
field.' They (will) undress
in their presence in order to let them have back their field and
to give it back to them.
Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is
coming, he will begin his
vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his
house of his domain to
carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the
world. Arm yourselves
with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you,
for the difficulty which
you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a
man of understanding.
When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his
hand and reaped it.
Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."
(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples,
"These infants being
suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the
kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you
make the inside like the
outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the
below, and when you make
the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not
be male nor the female;
and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in
place of a hand, and a
foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness;
then will you enter the
kingdom."
(23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and
two out of ten thousand,
and they shall stand as a single one."
(24) His disciples said to him, "Show us the place where you
are, since it is necessary for
us to seek it."
He said to them, "Whoever has ears, let him hear. There is light
within a man of light,
and he lights up the whole world. If he does not shine, he is
darkness."
(25) Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him
like the pupil of your eye."
(26) Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brother's eye, but
you do not see the beam in
your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then
you will see clearly to
cast the mote from your brother's eye."
(27) <Jesus said,> "If you do not fast as regards the world, you
will not find the kingdom.
If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see
the father."
(28) Jesus said, "I took my place in the midst of the world, and
I appeared to them in
flesh. I found all of them intoxicated; I found none of them
thirsty. And my soul became
afflicted for the sons of men, because they are blind in their
hearts and do not have sight;
for empty they came into the world, and empty too they seek to
leave the world. But for
the moment they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine,
then they will repent."
(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of
spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit
came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
Indeed, I am amazed at
how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."
(30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods.
Where there are two or one, I
am with him."
(31) Jesus said, "No prophet is accepted in his own village; no
physician heals those who
know him."
(32) Jesus said, "A city being built on a high mountain and
fortified cannot fall, nor can it
be hidden."
(33) Jesus said, "Preach from your housetops that which you will
hear in your ear. For no
one lights a lamp and puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it
in a hidden place, but
rather he sets it on a lamp stand so that everyone who enters
and leaves will see its light."
(34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will
both fall into a pit."
(35) Jesus said, "It is not possible for anyone to enter the
house of a strong man and take
it by force unless he binds his hands; then he will (be able to)
ransack his house."
(36) Jesus said, "Do not be concerned from morning until evening
and from evening until
morning about what you will wear."
(37) His disciples said, "When will you become revealed to us
and when shall we see
you?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up
your garments and
place them under your feet like little children and tread on
them, then will you see the son
of the living one, and you will not be afraid"
(38) Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these
words which I am saying to
you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be
days when you will look
for me and will not find me."
(39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the
keys of knowledge (gnosis)
and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they
allowed to enter those
who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as
innocent as doves."
(40) Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the
father, but being unsound, it
will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."
(41) Jesus said, "Whoever has something in his hand will receive
more, and whoever has
nothing will be deprived of even the little he has."
(42) Jesus said, "Become passers-by."
(43) His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should
say these things to us?"
<Jesus said to them,> "You do not realize who I am from what I
say to you, but you have
become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate
its fruit (or) love the fruit
and hate the tree."
(44) Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be
forgiven, and whoever
blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever
blasphemes against the holy
spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."
(45) Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorns, nor are
figs gathered from thistles,
for they do not produce fruit. A good man brings forth good from
his storehouse; an evil
man brings forth evil things from his evil storehouse, which is
in his heart, and says evil
things. For out of the abundance of the heart he brings forth
evil things."
(46) Jesus said, "Among those born of women, from Adam until
John the Baptist, there is
no one so superior to John the Baptist that his eyes should not
be lowered (before him).
Yet I have said, whichever one of you comes to be a child will
be acquainted with the
kingdom and will become superior to John."
(47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses
or to stretch two bows.
And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters;
otherwise, he will honor the one
and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and
immediately desires to
drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest
they burst; nor is old
wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is
not sewn onto a new
garment, because a tear would result."
(48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one
house, they will say to the
mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."
(49) Jesus said, "Blessed are the solitary and elect, for you
will find the kingdom. For you
are from it, and to it you will return."
(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come
from?', say to them, 'We came
from the light, the place where the light came into being on its
own accord and
established itself and became manifest through their image.' If
they say to you, 'Is it
you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living
father.' If they ask you,
'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is
movement and repose.'"
(51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the
dead come about, and when
will the new world come?"
He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but
you do not recognize
it."
(52) His disciples said to him, "Twenty-four prophets spoke in
Israel, and all of them
spoke in you."
He said to them, "You have omitted the one living in your
presence and have spoken
(only) of the dead."
(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or
not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would
beget them already circumcised
from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has
become completely
profitable."
(54) Jesus said, "Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom
of heaven."
(55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his
mother cannot become a
disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and
sisters and take up his cross
in my way will not be worthy of me."
(56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has
found (only) a corpse,
and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."
(57) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a man who
had good seed. His enemy
came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did
not allow them to
pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will
go intending to pull up the
weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of
the harvest the weeds
will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned."
(58) Jesus said, "Blessed is the man who has suffered and found
life."
(59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the living one while you are
alive, lest you die and seek to
see him and be unable to do so."
(60) <They saw> a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea.
He said to his
disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but
only when he has killed it and it
has become a corpse."
They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within
repose, lest you become a
corpse and be eaten."
(61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and
the other will live."
Salome said, "Who are you, man, that you ... have come up on my
couch and eaten from
my table?"
Jesus said to her, "I am he who exists from the undivided. I was
given some of the things
of my father."
<...> "I am your disciple."
<...> "Therefore I say, if he is destroyed, he will be filled
with light, but if he is divided,
he will be filled with darkness."
(62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries
that I tell my mysteries.
Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is
doing."
(63) Jesus said, "There was a rich man who had much money. He
said, 'I shall put my
money to use so that I may sow, reap, plant, and fill my
storehouse with produce, with
the result that I shall lack nothing.' Such were his intentions,
but that same night he died.
Let him who has ears hear."
(64) Jesus said, "A man had received visitors. And when he had
prepared the dinner, he
sent his servant to invite the guests.
He went to the first one and said to him, 'My master invites
you.' He said, 'I have claims
against some merchants. They are coming to me this evening. I
must go and give them
my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master has invited you.'
He said to him, 'I have
just bought a house and am required for the day. I shall not
have any spare time.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He
said to him, 'My friend is
going to get married, and I am to prepare the banquet. I shall
not be able to come. I ask to
be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He
said to him, 'I have just
bought a farm, and I am on my way to collect the rent. I shall
not be able to come. I ask
to be excused.'
The servant returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you
invited to the dinner have
asked to be excused.' The master said to his servant, 'Go
outside to the streets and bring
back those whom you happen to meet, so that they may dine.'
Businessmen and
merchants will not enter the places of my father."
(65) He said, "There was a good man who owned a vineyard. He
leased it to tenant
farmers so that they might work it and he might collect the
produce from them. He sent
his servant so that the tenants might give him the produce of
the vineyard. They seized
his servant and beat him, all but killing him. The servant went
back and told his master.
The master said, 'Perhaps he did not recognize them.' He sent
another servant. The
tenants beat this one as well. Then the owner sent his son and
said, 'Perhaps they will
show respect to my son.' Because the tenants knew that it was he
who was the heir to the
vineyard, they seized him and killed him. Let him who has ears
hear."
(66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have
rejected. That one is the
cornerstone."
(67) Jesus said, "If one who knows the all still feels a
personal deficiency, he is
completely deficient."
(68) Jesus said, "Blessed are you when you are hated and
persecuted. Wherever you have
been persecuted they will find no place."
(69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted
within themselves. It is they
who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry,
for the belly of him who
desires will be filled."
(70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring
it forth from yourselves.
That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do
not have it within you."
(71) Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be
able to build it [...]."
(72) A man said to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's
possessions with me."
He said to him, "O man, who has made me a divider?"
He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a
divider, am I?"
(73) Jesus said, "The harvest is great but the laborers are few.
Beseech the Lord,
therefore, to send out laborers to the harvest."
(74) He said, "O Lord, there are many around the drinking
trough, but there is nothing in
the cistern."
(75) Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the
solitary who will enter the
bridal chamber."
(76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant
who had a consignment of
merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was
shrewd. He sold the
merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too,
seek his unfailing and
enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm
destroys."
(77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them
all. It is I who am the all.
From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend.
Split a piece of wood,
and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
(78) Jesus said, "Why have you come out into the desert? To see
a reed shaken by the
wind? And to see a man clothed in fine garments like your kings
and your great men?
Upon them are the fine garments, and they are unable to discern
the truth."
(79) A woman from the crowd said to him, "Blessed are the womb
which bore you and
the breasts which nourished you."
He said to her, "Blessed are those who have heard the word of
the father and have truly
kept it. For there will be days when you will say, 'Blessed are
the womb which has not
conceived and the breasts which have not given milk.'"
(80) Jesus said, "He who has recognized the world has found the
body, but he who has
found the body is superior to the world."
(81) Jesus said, "Let him who has grown rich be king, and let
him who possesses power
renounce it."
(82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who
is far from me is far from
the kingdom."
(83) Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light
in them remains concealed
in the image of the light of the father. He will become
manifest, but his image will remain
concealed by his light."
(84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But
when you see your images
which came into being before you, and which neither die not
become manifest, how
much you will have to bear!"
(85) Jesus said, "Adam came into being from a great power and a
great wealth, but he did
not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not
have experienced
death."
(86) Jesus said, "The foxes have their holes and the birds have
their nests, but the son of
man has no place to lay his head and rest."
(87) Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is dependant upon a
body, and wretched is the
soul that is dependent on these two."
(88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you
and give to you those
things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things
which you have, and say
to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"
(89) Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you
not realize that he who
made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"
(90) Jesus said, "Come unto me, for my yoke is easy and my
lordship is mild, and you
will find repose for yourselves."
(91) They said to him, "Tell us who you are so that we may
believe in you."
He said to them, "You read the face of the sky and of the earth,
but you have not
recognized the one who is before you, and you do not know how to
read this moment."
(92) Jesus said, "Seek and you will find. Yet, what you asked me
about in former times
and which I did not tell you then, now I do desire to tell, but
you do not inquire after it."
(93) <Jesus said,> "Do not give what is holy to dogs, lest they
throw them on the dungheap. Do not throw the pearls to swine,
lest they [...] it [...]."
(94) Jesus said, "He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will
be let in."
(95) Jesus said, "If you have money, do not lend it at interest,
but give it to one from
whom you will not get it back."
(96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain
woman. She took a little
leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large
loaves. Let him who has ears
hear."
(97) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain
woman who was carrying a
jar full of meal. While she was walking on the road, still some
distance from home, the
handle of the jar broke and the meal emptied out behind her on
the road. She did not
realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her
house, she set the jar down
and found it empty."
(98) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain
man who wanted to kill a
powerful man. In his own house he drew his sword and stuck it
into the wall in order to
find out whether his hand could carry through. Then he slew the
powerful man."
(99) The disciples said to him, "Your brothers and your mother
are standing outside."
He said to them, "Those here who do the will of my father are my
brothers and my
mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom of my father."
(100) They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, "Caesar's
men demand taxes from
us."
He said to them, "Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, give God
what belongs to God,
and give me what is mine."
(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his
mother as I do cannot
become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father
and his mother as I do
cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother [...], but my true
mother gave me life."
(102) Jesus said, "Woe to the pharisees, for they are like a dog
sleeping in the manger of
oxen, for neither does he eat nor does he let the oxen eat."
(103) Jesus said, "Fortunate is the man who knows where the
brigands will enter, so that
he may get up, muster his domain, and arm himself before they
invade."
(104) They said to Jesus, "Come, let us pray today and let us
fast."
Jesus said, "What is the sin that I have committed, or wherein
have I been defeated? But
when the bridegroom leaves the bridal chamber, then let them
fast and pray."
(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will
be called the son of a
harlot."
(106) Jesus said, "When you make the two one, you will become
the sons of man, and
when you say, 'Mountain, move away,' it will move away."
(107) Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a shepherd who had a
hundred sheep. One of
them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine sheep
and looked for that one until
he found it. When he had gone to such trouble, he said to the
sheep, 'I care for you more
than the ninety-nine.'"
(108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become
like me. I myself shall
become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to
him."
(109) Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a man who had a hidden
treasure in his field
without knowing it. And after he died, he left it to his son.
The son did not know (about
the treasure). He inherited the field and sold it. And the one
who bought it went plowing
and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to
whomever he wished."
(110) Jesus said, "Whoever finds the world and becomes rich, let
him renounce the
world."
(111) Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up
in your presence. And the
one who lives from the living one will not see death." Does not
Jesus say, "Whoever
finds himself is superior to the world?"
(112) Jesus said, "Woe to the flesh that depends on the soul;
woe to the soul that depends
on the flesh."
(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not
be a matter of saying 'here it
is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is
spread out upon the earth, and men
do not see it."
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are
not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male,
so that she too may become
a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will
make herself male will
enter the kingdom of heaven."
[center]The Gospel
According to Thomas[/center]
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest116 Date: June 10, 2020, 6:59 pm
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I have always enjoyed the Gospel of Thomas. I have been trying
to write a treatise on Saint Thomas the Apostle. This is very
difficult since some much negative and questioning him.
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest116 Date: July 4, 2020, 1:14 am
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So, I was watching so Youtube videos my sons suggested. On
caught my interest as it was about three of the non-canonical
gospel of Thomas, Judas, and Mary. Interestingly the presenter
stated it was his belief that all three of these had a specific
role to play soJesus reveal his true self to them so the knew
why their parts were so important.
As for Thomas, his questioning of the resurrection was needed to
make the other's belief stronger. That his journey to India was
then to test him further on his dedication to spreading the true
word. Just more information causing me more interesting in
Thomas
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest8 Date: July 5, 2020, 5:00 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=956.msg14831#msg14831 date=1593843284]
So, I was watching so Youtube videos my sons suggested. On
caught my interest as it was about three of the non-canonical
gospel of Thomas, Judas, and Mary. Interestingly the presenter
stated it was his belief that all three of these had a specific
role to play soJesus reveal his true self to them so the knew
why their parts were so important.
As for Thomas, his questioning of the resurrection was needed to
make the other's belief stronger. That his journey to India was
then to test him further on his dedication to spreading the true
word. Just more information causing me more interesting in
Thomas
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There is no he evidence these were divinely inspired.....The
WORD of GOD in the Bible is just that...the WORD of
GOD....REMEMBER, the 40 authors were only writers not authors.
Blade
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest116 Date: July 5, 2020, 10:12 pm
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I agree with you on the divinely inspired, I do not think that
is in dispute. I was trying to make the point, and poorly I
might add, that we can learn from the non-canonical (sp) texts
about the times and the thinking of all those teaching and
spreading the word of God and the Conical Gospels. Even though
at the time of Thomas and even the time his text was written the
books that were to become conical were just texts being taught,
it was obvious they were inspired.
I like to know all things about that time and have an
understanding of those that were the foundation of what was to
come. It is just my humble opinion and no more, that to teach
the inspired word in a way to move a person you also need to
understand those that others used during the birth of
Christianity. Again, just my humble opinion
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest8 Date: July 5, 2020, 10:17 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=956.msg14864#msg14864 date=1594005125]
I agree with you on the divinely inspired, I do not think that
is in dispute. I was trying to make the point, and poorly I
might add, that we can learn from the non-canonical (sp) texts
about the times and the thinking of all those teaching and
spreading the word of God and the Conical Gospels. Even though
at the time of Thomas and even the time his text was written the
books that were to become cynical were just texts being taught,
it was obvious they were inspired.
I like to know all things about that time and have an
understanding of those that were the foundation of what was to
come. It is just my humble opinion and no more, that to teach
the inspired word in a way to move a person you also need to
understand those that others used during the birth of
Christianity. Again, just my humble opinion
[/quote]
well said.... this I can agree with
thanks Mark
Blade
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: patrick jane Date: August 22, 2020, 10:54 pm
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Thanks
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest116 Date: November 4, 2020, 11:14 pm
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Can I ask something, Apostle Thomas, was one of the three known
apostles to be literate and was able to read and write. So if
the evidence that has slowly emerged that the Gospel of Thomas
actually originate from his writings while he was with Jesus,
does that not mean then that they become the inspired words of
God or at least inspire of Jesus?
I am trying to figure out why it would or would not become
inspired.
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: patrick jane Date: April 10, 2021, 3:14 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiX5zuD105Y
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Re: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
By: guest116 Date: April 10, 2021, 4:26 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=956.msg20093#msg20093 date=1604553291]
Can I ask something, Apostle Thomas, was one of the three known
apostles to be literate and was able to read and write. So if
the evidence that has slowly emerged that the Gospel of Thomas
actually originate from his writings while he was with Jesus,
does that not mean then that they become the inspired words of
God or at least inspire of Jesus?
I am trying to figure out why it would or would not become
inspired.
[/quote]
Now see I agree with this logic, but those that decided what was
divinely inspired 1500 plus years ago, did not know nor have the
additional information we now have. Should it be rethought and
considered? I believe so. The issue is that it would take the
Vatican, Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians all the rest to
reconsider its inclusion. The argument will be how do we know
we have all of Thomas's writings? How can we include something
that might not be complete? Those are valid concerns.
I think it deserves deep consideration. If you take the time to
read it then cross-reference the statements you will find them
all stated in the Gospels and other books of the New Testament
but without all the fluff and storytelling around Jesus'
statements. As you noted, Thomas was an educated and literate
man. But he also was a very no-nonsense type of person. Think
of Dragnet and the statement "Just the Facts" So his writings
were just the statements he felt were important and impactful.
He did not waste time and energy on writing the story around the
statement.
So in essence, it is divinely inspired as all he writes is in
books deemed divinely inspired, but with all the story around
them. It is also why he had doubts when he was told of the
risen Christ. His nature was to prove it to me, give me the
facts. Back as the story about him shows, once he knew it was
him, he was all in.
I hope that helps to hear my viewpoint and understanding.
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