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Re: 9/11 - The Great Deception
By: Theo102 Date: November 22, 2018, 2:56 pm
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Follow the money: The funds of George H W Bush's Project Hammer
were cleared during the 9/11 aftermath when auditing protocols
were abandoned due to the chaos of the WTC event.
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Re: 9/11 - The Great Deception
By: patrick jane Date: March 23, 2019, 11:08 am
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Architects and Engineers: Solving the Mystery of Building 7 - w/
Ed Asner
"This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy
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Which makes no sense whatsoever given the scientific evidence
that this documentary sticks to. Of course we are appealing the
action to the extent that we can and will take legal steps as
well.
The video had over a Million and a half views prior to be taken
down.
Richard Gage, AIA
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
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15 minutes
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: August 9, 2020, 8:44 am
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Sad day
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: August 29, 2020, 10:43 am
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Sad day
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: September 27, 2020, 7:39 pm
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Sad day
[/quote]Terrible
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: August 19, 2021, 11:02 am
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: September 10, 2021, 2:59 pm
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Ministering to the 9/11 First Responders Who Never Had to Be
Told to ‘Never Forget’
Twenty years after terrorist attack, the spiritual needs of
survivors continue.
The news media and the nation would later call the site of the
largest terrorist attacks in United States history by the name
“ground zero.” The firefighters and other first responders who
rushed to the scene when two 110-floor buildings collapsed into
14.6 acres of mangled steel and concrete would call it “the
Pit.”
But when Andrew Columbia, a pastor and retired New York City
police officer, arrived that Tuesday morning in September, those
names hadn’t yet emerged from the acrid smoke. Twenty years
later, Columbia remembers the gray dust and, out of that dust,
the faces of the police officers, medics, and firefighters who
had seen devastation beyond comprehension.
“They were weeping. No one was really talking. They were in
shock. I just walked up and offered prayer. Didn’t even ask,”
Columbia said. “No one refused it.”
In the years since then, as anniversaries have come and gone and
the wreckage has been transformed into a memorial, Columbia has
heard the periodic reminders to “Never Forget.” But the
first-responder community and the New York City pastors who
minister to them have never needed that slogan. Forgetting has
proved impossible.
The trauma of 9/11 has been a daily reality and a spiritual need
for many in the past two decades.
This doesn’t mean they always talked about their experience in
terms of post-trauma. “Up until that time, post-traumatic stress
just wasn’t language that we had,” said John Picarello, pastor
of House on the Rock Christian Fellowship, a nondenominational
church on Staten Island.
Like many pastors of small congregations in the outer boroughs,
Picarello was bivocational in 2001. Or really, trivocational. He
pastored the church, served as an active-duty member of the New
York City Fire Department (FDNY), and baked bagels to pay the
bills. He was working in Brooklyn as a fire chief’s aide on the
night of September 10 and was still on duty when the planes hit
the twin towers.
In the initial months after 9/11, Picarello’s small church saw
attendance at Sunday services and midweek prayer meetings swell.
Everyone seemed to be turning to God and the church to make
sense of the earth-shattering tragedy. He heard this was
happening at the rest of the churches in Staten Island too, and
in the other boroughs, and across the country.
But then there was a cooling off. Attendance deflated. A year
passed and time moved on, but the memory of the event didn’t
disappear, and the stress, anxiety, mental health concerns, and
ongoing effects of trauma actually began to be more apparent to
local pastors.
“A lot of us feel like we did not capitalize correctly … and
take that opportunity to really reach out to families in a way
to bring them into the church. And a lot of them came in
initially and then left,” said Columbia, who was then an
associate pastor at International Christian Center on Staten
Island. “And, you know … I don’t think, in the long term, things
turned out much different.”
Over the next 14 years, more than 3,700 firefighters would be
diagnosed with stress-related mental health conditions that
began after the attacks. Columbia and Picarello say they had to
learn what that meant. They really weren’t prepared, and there
was no church infrastructure in place at that time to address
the immediate needs of firefighters, police officers, emergency
medical services workers, and their families, so a lot of the
first-responder communities turned inward as they grappled with
the challenges of day-to-day life after a tragedy.
Even without the looming specter of a massive tragedy, it’s
difficult to overstate how isolated many people are in these
insular communities. Predominately men, they tend to want to
carry the weight of “the job” in solitude. When they do reach
out, it’s typically to one of their own: another cop,
firefighter, or EMS worker.
Picarello recalls an influx of late-night theological
conversations post-9/11, many of them in the quiet of the
firehouse kitchen. Fellow firefighters would seek out his
spiritual counsel—but away from others’ prying ears, lest
spiritual needs threaten their sense of self-sufficiency,
strength, and emotional endurance. Picarello says he once
smuggled a Bible to a sheepish coworker in a covert operation to
get it into someone’s locker.
But it was clear, even at the time, that kitchen conversations
weren’t going to be enough. The FDNY’s own Counseling Services
Unit—then a small outfit with 11 employees in a single
office—responded to the burgeoning mental health crisis by
overhauling its entire approach. The unit began to deploy peer
counselors directly to emergency service workers experiencing
mental health difficulties.
“Without people knocking on the door, letting our members know
what’s available, they wouldn’t come in for help,” said Frank
Leto, a FDNY veteran and deputy director of the counseling unit.
“We can go to firehouses, sit down at kitchen tables, and talk
with our members. Our peer program allows us to have eyes and
ears in the field, to be a bridge to the clinical services.”
Even as the number of people receiving counseling increased,
there were still unmet spiritual needs. Firefighters for Christ,
an international organization based out of California, had only
established its New York City chapter in 1997. For the past
several years, the organization has met monthly in a Queens
diner. About 60 active and retired firefighters gather to talk
about the challenges of merging Christian faith with the job.
The churches have developed new spaces too. Columbia hosts a
first-responder support group at Mount Carmel Baptist Church in
Carmel, New York, an outpost for cops and firefighters who live
beyond the city limits.
“They need a refuge. They need a place to decompress,” Columbia
said. “Personally, I know that, because part of my testimony is
exactly that. I didn’t know how to decompress before I found
Christ, which led me to have a lot of problems dealing with a
lot of anger.”
Recently, first responders seeking support have talked less
about PTSD and more about the long-term physical health impacts
of 9/11. Not long ago the fire department had to relocate a wall
dedicated to the memory of those who had died, because of the
additional names of those who succumbed to illnesses related to
the inhalation of toxic dust. COVID-19 also disproportionately
harmed 9/11 first responders.
Fewer people come to the 9/11 first responders’ funerals now,
but Picarello, Columbia and others still minister to those who
never had to be reminded to never forget.
“Our little motto is this: We understand the job, and we care.
So, you know, we know what you’re going through,” Columbia said.
After 20 years, that basic spiritual need hasn’t changed. As
Billy Graham said in an address to the nation on September 14,
2001, “The lesson of this event is not only about the mystery of
iniquity and evil, but, second, it’s a lesson about our need for
each other.”
Kathryn Watson is a reporter from New York City.
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Re: 9/11 - LOOSE CHANGE
By: patrick jane Date: September 10, 2021, 3:05 pm
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Why 9/11 Brought Neither Unity Nor Revival
Many Christians think spiritual renewal followed the terrorist
attacks, but the record shows otherwise.
The immediate aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September
11, 2001, was a strange and fearful time, but it also seemed a
hopeful time.
“A massive shift in perspective happened to our country on
September 11,” wrote Philip Yancey in 2001. For a little while,
he mused, the sense that everything had changed in a single
morning “made us look at our land, our society, and ourselves in
a new way.” It made us “live in conscious awareness of death,”
made us notice that “many of us fill our lives with
trivialities,” and forced us to “turn to our spiritual roots.”
Talk of unity was everywhere. Church attendance spiked, and
Christian leaders began predicting a national revival. In a 2001
speech, President George W. Bush praised Americans for our
decency, kindness, and commitment to one another. Now, on the
20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks with the US military
withdrawn from Afghanistan, we should ask: Were those hopes
fulfilled?
We certainly didn’t maintain that sense of unity. Quickly,
Christians got into heated discussions about whether we could
support military invasions, torture, the Patriot Act, and more.
Since then, our political divisions seem even more embittered,
and polarization is on the rise. And as for the policy—well,
wherever you land on these things, my guess is you aren’t too
happy with how it’s gone, and our current political discourse is
awash with talk of treason and even civil war.
Our lack of unity isn’t the only disappointment. The foretold
revival never came, either.
For a few weeks after 9/11, people packed the pews, but it soon
became apparent there was not a “great awakening or a profound
change in America’s religious practices,” as Frank M. Newport,
Gallup Poll editor in chief, toldThe New York Times in November
of 2001.
Barna Group confirmed that conclusion in 2006. It tracked “19
dimensions of spirituality and beliefs” and found “none of those
19 indicators [were] statistically different” from pre-attack
measures. In other words, the 9/11 attacks didn’t put American
Christians on a trajectory toward more orthodox beliefs or more
consistent habits of prayer, church attendance, or Scripture
reading. Insofar as we can measure matters of faith, the decline
of American religiosity continued apace.
Almost as quickly as the new perspective on life Yancey saw in
2001, Americans turned away, back to trivialities and escalating
antipathies, like a dog returning to its vomit (Prov. 26:11). As
a culture newly aware of mortality, we embraced the recklessness
of YOLO, not the care of memento mori. “Spiritually speaking,”
said Barna’s David Kinnaman, “it’s as if nothing significant
ever happened.”
Still, the myth that the 9/11 attacks catalyzed a spiritual
awakening lives on. A 2013 Barna Group survey found
Americans—and particularly born-again Christians—believe 9/11
“made people turn back to God.”
Why were our hopes for ourselves so wrong? Why did we not live
into our own ideals? I have two answers to suggest—and one
reason to hope anew.
My first suggestion is that what we thought was hope wasn’t hope
at all. It was less Christian trust in the character and
redemption of God than American optimism coated with
not-quite-biblical bromides that when there’s bad, good will
follow.
Americans love to believe that “everything happens for a
reason,” and that after a short period of time, sorrow will
always turn into joy and suffering into sanctification. We quote
Romans 8:28—“we know that in all things God works for the good
of those who love him”—and incorrectly interpret it to mean that
everything that happens to us will somehow work out okay.
And it will—on the eschatological scale. God promises that one
day we will live in perfect joy and justice with him, and “there
will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any
mourning, or crying, or pain” (Rev. 21:4, NASB).
But God does not promise us lives that reliably get nicer,
either for us as individuals or even for our society. Sometimes
evil happens and then just keeps on happening for centuries.
Sometimes things don’t work out okay and there’s no perceptible
reason for what happens to us.
Nor does suffering “naturally or automatically lead to growth or
good outcomes,” as pastor and author Tim Keller has observed.
“It must be handled properly or faced patiently and faithfully.”
A couple extra Sunday services in the fall of 2001 is not a
commitment to the long, slow work of sanctification.
The second answer to our disappointed hope is about how we
preserved 9/11 in our memory. “Never forget,” we said, over and
over and up through today. Part of what we meant was “Never
forget the people we lost and the heroism of ordinary Americans
who helped amid the horror.” Yet another part was vengeance. In
his September 2001 address, Bush promised the American people he
would “not forget the wound to our country and those who
inflicted it.” He swore never to yield, rest, or relent in the
“mission” our country had found in our “anger.” Too many
Americans, including some Christians, adopted this response in a
vengeful way.
We were right to be angry at the great wrongs of 9/11, but at
some point, rehearsing that anger year after year doesn’t move
us toward justice, love, or the forgiveness Jesus commands of
his followers. It moves us toward resentment, hostility, and
bitterness, with all the trouble it brings (Heb. 12:15).
How we remember is as important as that we remember, as
theologian Miroslav Volf has argued, and we should discipline
ourselves to remember “both with the desire for knowing truth
and with the desire of overcoming enmity and creating a
communion in love.”
As we remember 9/11 again this year, it is not too late to
change that memory. It is not too late to begin to seek the
goods of unity and revival we wanted in 2001.
We can still become more peaceable and prudent in our politics.
We can still draw near to God, and he will draw near to us, for
“now is the day of salvation” (James 4:8; 2 Cor. 6:2). We can
still learn real hope—not ahistorical American optimism, but the
weightier hope that comes through perseverance, character, and
the love of God.
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