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#Post#: 16512--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest116
Date: August 20, 2020, 11:43 pm
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[b]Okay, I can deal with that. Thanks Blade for clarification.
I will go back to lurking and learning.
#Post#: 16516--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 21, 2020, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> Okay, I can deal with that. Thanks Blade for clarification.
I will go back to lurking and learning.
>
--- End Quote ---
God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants
and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new
dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will
change.
Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE.
God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a
time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.
Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they
are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like
Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare
events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.
In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man
"shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he
said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat,
they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the
angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.
The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only
guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been
preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and
prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and
aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of
heaven on earth.
What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as it
is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE
from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be
lifted from the earth.
But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of Antichrist
and all the armies that come up with him to Jerusalem.
The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom rolled
out from there. All resistance will be punished all power and
authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see coming
to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the rod of
iron for those who oppose Him.
They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.
The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is
Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does
not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be
gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being
rolled out from Jerusalem.
more to come
#Post#: 16536--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 21, 2020, 11:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16512#msg16512 date=1597985029]
> Okay, I can deal with that. Thanks Blade for clarification.
I will go back to lurking and learning.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants
and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new
dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will
change.
--- End Quote ---
His covenants transverse all dispensations. (i.e. The Rainbow is
a covenant to mankind that God would not destroy the earth any
more by water). This covenant has gone through How Many
dispensations?? maybe five or more??
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE.
God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a
time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, we are in the dispensation of Grace but GOD is not
withholding Judgement. In fact, the judgement of Romans 1 which
began in the 70 and 80s reached the third phase around 2018.
All His judgements to be (Prophecies) are in His Book and they
are being fulfilled to date at 100%. Yes, He has appointed a
time when all the remaining Dead (second resurrection) will get
judged at the White Throne Judgement.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they
are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like
Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare
events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.
--- End Quote ---
Acts of Judgement are not a rare thing...GOD is in Control and
has His finger in every disaster, every flood, every tornado,
every riot, etc. These are all judgements of Mankind..You reap
what you sow...If you do not believe that then ask those people
just outside of the city of Portland and Seattle if they agree.
These riots will be reaching their neighborhoods in due time.
Yes, it is a judgement of God.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man
"shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he
said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat,
they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the
angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, this will be done in Daniel's 70th week. have you not read
Revelation 6 through 20..It seems you just ignore all those
chapters and throw them out the door.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only
guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been
preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and
prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and
aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of
heaven on earth.
--- End Quote ---
The new dispensation will begin when the Harpazo/Rapture
happens, the Age of Grace will be over and the age of the
"Everlasting Gospel" will begin. It will end in a 1,000 plus
years or so.
Yes, that is all the charismatic churches preach..'that GOD will
accept everyone' into heaven...????
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as
it is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE
from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be
lifted from the earth.
--- End Quote ---
I agree here
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of
Antichrist and all the armies that come up with him to
Jerusalem.
--- End Quote ---
So you are a post-Trib Rapture fellow..Where are all the
judgements..You tell us in a paragraph two of three down that
the Church will be gone in Rev 4...That is not post-Trib Rapture
theology, that is Pre-Trib Rapture.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom
rolled out from there. All resistance will be punished all power
and authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see
coming to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the
rod of iron for those who oppose Him.
>
> They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.
--- End Quote ---
Here you speaking of the Millennium again...Billy you just going
all over the place.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is
Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does
not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be
gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being
rolled out from Jerusalem.
>
> more to come
>
--- End Quote ---
[color=green]"The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom
being rolled out from Jerusalem. "
Yes, the rest of the prophecy, Daniel's 70th week relates to the
Judgments of God killing over 1/2 of the earth population today.
3-4 billion people will die during this time leaving only a
remnant of Gentiles to live in the millennium. 2/3 of Jews will
die leaving only a 1/3 remnant of Jews to live during the
Millennium.
The church of England and all the other Charismatic theology
teaching churches is dragging many DOWN with it. They will be
counted as the non-believers.
Billy, Judgment prophecies are being fulfilled regularly. Birth
Pangs are getting worse each day until.
[/color]
Blade
#Post#: 16543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 22, 2020, 7:14 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16516#msg16516
date=1598021824]
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16512#msg16512 date=1597985029]
> Okay, I can deal with that. Thanks Blade for clarification.
I will go back to lurking and learning.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants
and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new
dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will
change.
--- End Quote ---
His covenants transverse all dispensations. (i.e. The Rainbow is
a covenant to mankind that God would not destroy the earth any
more by water). This covenant has gone through How Many
dispensations?? maybe five or more??
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE.
God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a
time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, we are in the dispensation of Grace but GOD is not
withholding Judgement. In fact, the judgement of Romans 1 which
began in the 70 and 80s reached the third phase around 2018.
All His judgements to be (Prophecies) are in His Book and they
are being fulfilled to date at 100%. Yes, He has appointed a
time when all the remaining Dead (second resurrection) will get
judged at the White Throne Judgement.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they
are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like
Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare
events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.
--- End Quote ---
Acts of Judgement are not a rare thing...GOD is in Control and
has His finger in every disaster, every flood, every tornado,
every riot, etc. These are all judgements of Mankind..You reap
what you sow...If you do not believe that then ask those people
just outside of the city of Portland and Seattle if they agree.
These riots will be reaching their neighborhoods in due time.
Yes, it is a judgement of God.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man
"shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he
said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat,
they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the
angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, this will be done in Daniel's 70th week. have you not read
Revelation 6 through 20..It seems you just ignore all those
chapters and throw them out the door.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only
guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been
preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and
prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and
aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of
heaven on earth.
--- End Quote ---
The new dispensation will begin when the Harpazo/Rapture
happens, the Age of Grace will be over and the age of the
"Everlasting Gospel" will begin. It will end in a 1,000 plus
years or so.
Yes, that is all the charismatic churches preach..'that GOD will
accept everyone' into heaven... ??? ?
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as
it is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE
from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be
lifted from the earth.
--- End Quote ---
I agree here
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of
Antichrist and all the armies that come up with him to
Jerusalem.
--- End Quote ---
So you are a post-Trib Rapture fellow..Where are all the
judgements..You tell us in a paragraph two of three down that
the Church will be gone in Rev 4...That is not post-Trib Rapture
theology, that is Pre-Trib Rapture.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom
rolled out from there. All resistance will be punished all power
and authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see
coming to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the
rod of iron for those who oppose Him.
>
> They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.
--- End Quote ---
Here you speaking of the Millennium again...Billy you just going
all over the place.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is
Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does
not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be
gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being
rolled out from Jerusalem.
>
> more to come
>
--- End Quote ---
"The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled
out from Jerusalem. "
Yes, the rest of the prophecy, Daniel's 70th week relates to the
Judgments of God killing over 1/2 of the earth population today.
3-4 billion people will die during this time leaving only a
remnant of Gentiles to live in the millennium. 2/3 of Jews will
die leaving only a 1/3 remnant of Jews to live during the
Millennium.
The church of England and all the other Charismatic theology
teaching churches is dragging many DOWN with it. They will be
counted as the non-believers.
Billy, Judgment prophecies are being fulfilled regularly. Birth
Pangs are getting worse each day until.
Blade
[/quote]
What do I have to do with the church of England? it is YOU who
is preaching the charismatic "left behind" doctrine, a bunch of
nonsense. A 15 year old girl wrote down what she believed was
the Holy Spirit telling her.
I am entirely orthodox, a premillennial, post tribulation
rapture. It is what the church has taught down through the
centuries.
YOU say before the tribulation of those days, Jesus says after
the tribulation of those days
YOU say the church will be removed before Antichrist is
revealed, Paul says that day will not come until he has been
revealed.
Birth pangs are not the seals, the trumpets or the bowls of
wrath. they betoken new life, the new age.
Pentecostalists are not non believers they are believers, they
believe the Holy Spirit is the same as He is portrayed in the
bible, YOU believe He has changed YOU are the non believer.
MILLIONS are being swept into the kingdom on other continents
through the pentecostal movement while the evangelical church in
America and Europe languish ... African Pentecostals are coming
to England as missionaries.
And let's be honest with one another
The evangelical church in America and Europe would have been
dead and buried decades ago if there had not been the
Pentecostal revival. Even now if you were take out the various
Pentecostal movements from the USA there would be no evangelical
voice left. Man they are in the White house advising your
President.
At the end of the age Jesus taught, He will send out His angels
to gather the wicked out of His kingdom so the day of the Lord
begins with the destruction of Antichrist and those who have
received his mark. He will rule the nations with a rod of iron,
putting down all authority and power. That is how the day of the
Lord [which is the 1,000 years] begins.
The Lord will set His throne in Jerusalem and the reign of
righteousness and peace will be rolled out from there.[/quote]
#Post#: 16678--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 26, 2020, 5:05 pm
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;D
#Post#: 17587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 14, 2020, 6:11 pm
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Ready and waiting
#Post#: 17688--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 17, 2020, 6:15 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Ready and waiting
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes
#Post#: 18911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 15, 2020, 10:23 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg17587#msg17587
date=1600125082]
> Ready and waiting
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes
[/quote]me too
#Post#: 19492--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 24, 2020, 7:34 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg17688#msg17688
date=1600384517]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg17587#msg17587
date=1600125082]
> Ready and waiting
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes
[/quote]me too
[/quote] 8)
#Post#: 19506--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: October 24, 2020, 5:33 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg18911#msg18911
date=1602818596]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg17688#msg17688
date=1600384517]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=879.msg17587#msg17587
date=1600125082]
> Ready and waiting
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes
[/quote]me too
[/quote] 8)
[/quote]
really depends of the church? you are speaking of....the
Denominational church or the Church (body of Christ)
Blade
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