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#Post#: 16406--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 18, 2020, 3:39 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16396#msg16396
date=1597721159]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16395#msg16395
date=1597704401]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16366#msg16366
date=1597637221]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16362#msg16362
date=1597616257]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16356#msg16356 date=1597597694]
Thats a good on PJ. While mine is similar being last one left
to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I
over slept. ;D ;D
[/quote]
By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.
But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for
London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in
the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.
I was ALWAYS late late late.
My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I
arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He
began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when
the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the
mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
[/quote]
very cute Billy....lol
Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is
your Plan B?
For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride
before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in
that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)
For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name
on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.
I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of
the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those
days also..
The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations
and non-denominationals, will not get to Heaven...There is a
narrow road where only a few will make it..
Blade
[/quote]
So mixed up.
You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we
must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.
Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the
tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send
forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of
heaven"
Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I
believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only
distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics
there in heaven if they have been born again.
Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be
packed.
John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the
great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could
number.
The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is
nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will
inherit the earth.
The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He
took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third
of mankind.
[/quote]
what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in
the bowl judgements
How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's
WORDs
Blade
[/quote]
It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER
the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.
God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against
Israel.
Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and
rolled out from Israel
YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is
poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to
repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?
Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the
dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.
But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind
can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to
SAVE people.
The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into
ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations
will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's
righteous reign.
And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of
Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
#Post#: 16417--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: guest8 Date: August 18, 2020, 9:20 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16406#msg16406
date=1597739957]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16396#msg16396
date=1597721159]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16395#msg16395
date=1597704401]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16366#msg16366
date=1597637221]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16362#msg16362
date=1597616257]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16356#msg16356 date=1597597694]
Thats a good on PJ. While mine is similar being last one left
to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I
over slept. ;D ;D
[/quote]
By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.
But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for
London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in
the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.
I was ALWAYS late late late.
My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I
arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He
began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when
the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the
mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
[/quote]
very cute Billy....lol
Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is
your Plan B?
For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride
before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in
that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)
For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name
on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.
I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of
the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those
days also..
The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations
and non-denominationals, will not get to Heaven...There is a
narrow road where only a few will make it..
Blade
[/quote]
So mixed up.
You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we
must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.
Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the
tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send
forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of
heaven"
Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I
believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only
distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics
there in heaven if they have been born again.
Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be
packed.
John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the
great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could
number.
The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is
nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will
inherit the earth.
The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He
took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third
of mankind.
[/quote]
what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in
the bowl judgements
How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's
WORDs
Blade
[/quote]
It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER
the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.
God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against
Israel.
Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and
rolled out from Israel
YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is
poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to
repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?
Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the
dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.
But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind
can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to
SAVE people.
The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into
ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations
will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's
righteous reign.
And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of
Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
[/quote]
Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are
not Biblical..
Here are a few...
Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile
Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.
Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining
population of Mankind will die.
This represents over Half of the earth's population will die
during the first two judgments.
Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures
will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.
Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of
those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast
into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment. Only those
judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant
of Mankind.
During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will
die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live
through the Millennium.
I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its
beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming
will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer
(His Church) has gone.
Blade
#Post#: 16433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 18, 2020, 9:14 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16417#msg16417
date=1597760407]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16406#msg16406
date=1597739957]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16396#msg16396
date=1597721159]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16395#msg16395
date=1597704401]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16366#msg16366
date=1597637221]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16362#msg16362
date=1597616257]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16356#msg16356 date=1597597694]
Thats a good on PJ. While mine is similar being last one left
to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I
over slept. ;D ;D
[/quote]
By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.
But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for
London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in
the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.
I was ALWAYS late late late.
My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I
arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He
began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when
the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the
mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
[/quote]
very cute Billy....lol
Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is
your Plan B?
For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride
before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in
that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)
For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name
on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.
I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of
the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those
days also..
The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations
and non-denominationals, will not get to Heaven...There is a
narrow road where only a few will make it..
Blade
[/quote]
So mixed up.
You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we
must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.
Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the
tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send
forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of
heaven"
Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I
believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only
distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics
there in heaven if they have been born again.
Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be
packed.
John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the
great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could
number.
The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is
nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will
inherit the earth.
The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He
took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third
of mankind.
[/quote]
what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in
the bowl judgements
How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's
WORDs
Blade
[/quote]
It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER
the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.
God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against
Israel.
Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and
rolled out from Israel
YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is
poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to
repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?
Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the
dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.
But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind
can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to
SAVE people.
The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into
ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations
will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's
righteous reign.
And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of
Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
[/quote]
Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are
not Biblical..
Here are a few...
Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile
Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.
Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining
population of Mankind will die.
This represents over Half of the earth's population will die
during the first two judgments.
Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures
will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.
Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of
those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast
into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment. Only those
judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant
of Mankind.
During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will
die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live
through the Millennium.
I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its
beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming
will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer
(His Church) has gone.
Blade
[/quote]
There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's
70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.
We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will
be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will
break after 3 .1/2 years.
All these events happen before the rapture so the church is
still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and
invades Jerusalem and the temple.
The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath
being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His
wrath out while the church is here. That would violate
everything we know about God.
The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the
trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their
own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect
them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.
But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His
kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be
reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His
saints but instant punishment for those who rebel.
#Post#: 16441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: guest8 Date: August 19, 2020, 9:10 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16433#msg16433
date=1597803259]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16417#msg16417
date=1597760407]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16406#msg16406
date=1597739957]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16396#msg16396
date=1597721159]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16395#msg16395
date=1597704401]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16366#msg16366
date=1597637221]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16362#msg16362
date=1597616257]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16356#msg16356 date=1597597694]
Thats a good on PJ. While mine is similar being last one left
to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I
over slept. ;D ;D
[/quote]
By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.
But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for
London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in
the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.
I was ALWAYS late late late.
My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I
arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He
began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when
the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the
mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
[/quote]
very cute Billy....lol
Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is
your Plan B?
For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride
before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in
that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)
For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name
on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.
I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of
the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those
days also..
The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations
and non-denominationals, will not get to Heaven...There is a
narrow road where only a few will make it..
Blade
[/quote]
So mixed up.
You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we
must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.
Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the
tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send
forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of
heaven"
Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I
believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only
distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics
there in heaven if they have been born again.
Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be
packed.
John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the
great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could
number.
The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is
nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will
inherit the earth.
The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He
took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third
of mankind.
[/quote]
what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in
the bowl judgements
How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's
WORDs
Blade
[/quote]
It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER
the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.
God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against
Israel.
Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and
rolled out from Israel
YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is
poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to
repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?
Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the
dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.
But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind
can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to
SAVE people.
The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into
ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations
will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's
righteous reign.
And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of
Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
[/quote]
Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are
not Biblical..
Here are a few...
Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile
Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.
Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining
population of Mankind will die.
This represents over Half of the earth's population will die
during the first two judgments.
Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures
will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.
Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of
those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast
into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment. Only those
judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant
of Mankind.
During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will
die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live
through the Millennium.
I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its
beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming
will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer
(His Church) has gone.
Blade
[/quote]
There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's
70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.
We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will
be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will
break after 3 .1/2 years.
All these events happen before the rapture so the church is
still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and
invades Jerusalem and the temple.
The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath
being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His
wrath out while the church is here. That would violate
everything we know about God.
The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the
trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their
own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect
them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.
But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His
kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be
reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His
saints but instant punishment for those who rebel.
[/quote]
you said:"There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in
Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from
Revelations."
It seems Billy you have strayed away from the word of GOD to the
point that you are in reality calling Him a Liar. His Words in
Revelation are not symbolic but real and Your denial of them do
not make them any less real.
This is the way of the Charismatic preaching of 9 out of 10
churches especially in the UK and Europe. So Sad!
Blade
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 20, 2020, 3:28 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16441#msg16441
date=1597846218]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16433#msg16433
date=1597803259]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16417#msg16417
date=1597760407]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16406#msg16406
date=1597739957]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16396#msg16396
date=1597721159]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16395#msg16395
date=1597704401]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16366#msg16366
date=1597637221]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16362#msg16362
date=1597616257]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16356#msg16356 date=1597597694]
Thats a good on PJ. While mine is similar being last one left
to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I
over slept. ;D ;D
[/quote]
By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.
But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for
London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in
the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.
I was ALWAYS late late late.
My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I
arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He
began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when
the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the
mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
[/quote]
very cute Billy....lol
Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is
your Plan B?
For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride
before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in
that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)
For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name
on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.
I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of
the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those
days also..
The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations
and non-denominationals, will not get to Heaven...There is a
narrow road where only a few will make it..
Blade
[/quote]
So mixed up.
You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we
must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.
Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the
tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send
forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of
heaven"
Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I
believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only
distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics
there in heaven if they have been born again.
Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be
packed.
John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the
great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could
number.
The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is
nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will
inherit the earth.
The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He
took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third
of mankind.
[/quote]
what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in
the bowl judgements
How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's
WORDs
Blade
[/quote]
It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER
the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.
God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against
Israel.
Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and
rolled out from Israel
YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is
poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to
repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?
Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the
dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.
But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind
can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to
SAVE people.
The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into
ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations
will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's
righteous reign.
And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of
Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
[/quote]
Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are
not Biblical..
Here are a few...
Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile
Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.
Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining
population of Mankind will die.
This represents over Half of the earth's population will die
during the first two judgments.
Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures
will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.
Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of
those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast
into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment. Only those
judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant
of Mankind.
During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will
die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live
through the Millennium.
I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its
beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming
will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer
(His Church) has gone.
Blade
[/quote]
There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's
70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.
We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will
be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will
break after 3 .1/2 years.
All these events happen before the rapture so the church is
still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and
invades Jerusalem and the temple.
The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath
being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His
wrath out while the church is here. That would violate
everything we know about God.
The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the
trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their
own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect
them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.
But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His
kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be
reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His
saints but instant punishment for those who rebel.
[/quote]
you said:"There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in
Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from
Revelations."
It seems Billy you have strayed away from the word of GOD to the
point that you are in reality calling Him a Liar. His Words in
Revelation are not symbolic but real and Your denial of them do
not make them any less real.
This is the way of the Charismatic preaching of 9 out of 10
churches especially in the UK and Europe. So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
There is nothing wrong with the word of God in Revelations it's
just that you take them and stick them in any old where. You mix
up events and the prophecies that relate to them.
Seals, trumpets and bowls do not belong in Daniel's 70th week.
The seal the trumpets and the bowls of wrath belong to the
period of time after the church is gone but the church is still
here in in Daniel's 70th week or at least the first half of it.
Your failure is in not differentiating between the Great
Tribulation and the Wrath of God which are two different things.
And actually your "left behind" nonsense is from the
charismatics, as a Calvinist you ought have nothing to do with
such a teaching on the basis that God cannot punish sin twice.
As for my being Pentecostalist I have no choice for the Holy
Ghost fell on me as He fell on the saints of old. I would that
ye all were Pentecostalist.
Pentecostalism is where it is all happening if anything is
happening.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 20, 2020, 3:44 am
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Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not
yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th
week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week
and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.
When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by
sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will
return to destroy him.
THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the
clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced"
and be converted.
THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in
Jerusalem.
THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out
upon the unrenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be saved
through the Jews.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: guest8 Date: August 20, 2020, 9:28 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16461#msg16461
date=1597913071]
Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not
yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th
week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week
and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.
When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by
sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will
return to destroy him.
THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the
clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced"
and be converted.
THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in
Jerusalem.
THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out
upon the unrenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be saved
through the Jews.
[/quote]
your order is wrong according to the Bible. You have set these
three judgements in the time of the millennium....Really?
Blade
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 20, 2020, 7:51 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg16465#msg16465
date=1597933736]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg16461#msg16461
date=1597913071]
Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not
yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th
week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week
and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.
When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by
sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will
return to destroy him.
THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the
clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced"
and be converted.
THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in
Jerusalem.
THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out
upon the unrepenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be
saved through the Jews.
[/quote]
your order is wrong according to the Bible. You have set these
three judgements in the time of the millennium....Really?
Blade
[/quote]
The seals, the trumpets and the bowls are God's wrath being
poured upon the unrepentant, this cannot happen while the church
is here.
It will be in the Millennium that the world will get another
chance through the Jews. But those who rebel and refuse to
submit to The Lord will meet with immediate death.
The wicked will be driven back to the four corners of the earth
... and there they will be when Satan is loosed once again.
#Post#: 16502--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: guest116 Date: August 20, 2020, 8:25 pm
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My only thought is on your statement "while the church is here."
In my humble opinion the churches that exist now are all broken.
So the church that was spoken of in the Bible no longer exists
in any form.
But that just my feeling based on my reading.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
By: guest8 Date: August 20, 2020, 11:30 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=879.msg16502#msg16502 date=1597973153]
My only thought is on your statement "while the church is here."
In my humble opinion the churches that exist now are all broken.
So the church that was spoken of in the Bible no longer exists
in any form.
But that just my feeling based on my reading.
[/quote]
I think he is speaking of the Church (body of Christ). It is
still here until we are removed.
Blade
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